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~~Wolf~~ · 03-07-2015, 09:29 PM

(03-07-2015, 09:08 PM)Unibot Wrote: Every GCR disagrees about who are antagonists and protagonists - that doesn't stop any of them from taking matters into their own hands; unless, of course, you intend to go to TNP's government and argue I shouldn't be PNG there, because that might offend TSP? I thought not.

Earlier in this thread we talking about the possibility of putting this list into our laws and I was pointing out how publishing a public list that anyone can see is a supremely stupid idea. That's all.

No need to make it personal.

Oh, I did just think of something, however. I noticed Dalimbar is included on this possible Watchlist. He did just apply for citizenship and was not yet officially rejected, but rather his application was listed as "under review".

Can we now safely assume he shall be denied? Or Todd McCloud, for that matter, since he just applied yesterday and is also on this proposed list?

Darkstrait · 03-08-2015, 07:33 AM

For the second time, please read this again, more carefully.
This Watch List is meant to be a method by which potential security threats can be added to a list that the Vice Delegate can check when processing citizenship applications. It is meant to be a warning, not a boot-on-sight kind of thing.
Also, the names currently on the list were proposed by Unibot as a rough draft. When this bill comes to vote, they will not be included on it.
Finally, I fail to see how this proposition is "Orwellian".

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Hopolis · 03-08-2015, 10:47 AM

(03-07-2015, 03:57 PM)Unibot Wrote: TSP courts generally do not work to prevent female players from harassers because they're adversarial political institutions which assume victims aren't like... actually scared for their life in RL.

As a female justice I would like to think that isn't the case but I do accept the point being made.

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Punchwood · 03-08-2015, 03:03 PM

We've discussed this long enough and we are starting to go off-topic. Motion to vote.

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~~Unibot~~ · 03-08-2015, 03:18 PM

Consider my proposal withdrawn. If we do something like this, it needs to be done more smartly - it'll just be a point of contention. I don't want us to embroiled in seven page threads over every new addition to the Watchlist.

(03-08-2015, 10:47 AM)Hopolis Wrote:
(03-07-2015, 03:57 PM)Unibot Wrote: TSP courts generally do not work to prevent female players from harassers because they're adversarial political institutions which assume victims aren't like... actually scared for their life in RL.

As a female justice I would like to think that isn't the case but I do accept the point being made.

Sorry Hopolis - I say that because I seen it happen multiple times in NS.

1. Victim doesn't want to report it.
2. Friends encourage her to.
3. She reluctantly does after months.
5. Courts require more evidence.
6. She folds and publicly apologies to her harasser, or something like that.

It then becomes, usually, a fight between her friends and the harasser - with the victim just concerned about "making it all go away". The problem is the harasser is still there in the region and he exists because victims time and time want it to just go away - leaving the problem, inadvertently, for the next victim.

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Darkstrait · 03-08-2015, 04:29 PM

Punch, what are you motioning? My most recent proposition?
Give me 24 hours to draft an official resolution.

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~~Wolf~~ · 03-08-2015, 08:11 PM

(03-08-2015, 03:18 PM)Unibot Wrote: Sorry Hopolis - I say that because I seen it happen multiple times in NS.

1. Victim doesn't want to report it.
2. Friends encourage her to.
3. She reluctantly does after months.
5. Courts require more evidence.
6. She folds and publicly apologies to her harasser, or something like that.

It then becomes, usually, a fight between her friends and the harasser - with the victim just concerned about "making it all go away". The problem is the harasser is still there in the region and he exists because victims time and time want it to just go away - leaving the problem, inadvertently, for the next victim.

So I'm still confused.

Is this Watch List to address possible RL threats, like stalkers, or is it to address IC game threats? The intent seems murky.

Darkstrait · 03-08-2015, 08:35 PM

If possible, both.

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~~Unibot~~ · 03-08-2015, 09:47 PM

(03-08-2015, 08:11 PM)Wolf Wrote:
(03-08-2015, 03:18 PM)Unibot Wrote: Sorry Hopolis - I say that because I seen it happen multiple times in NS.

1. Victim doesn't want to report it.
2. Friends encourage her to.
3. She reluctantly does after months.
5. Courts require more evidence.
6. She folds and publicly apologies to her harasser, or something like that.

It then becomes, usually, a fight between her friends and the harasser - with the victim just concerned about "making it all go away". The problem is the harasser is still there in the region and he exists because victims time and time want it to just go away - leaving the problem, inadvertently, for the next victim.

So I'm still confused.

Is this Watch List to address possible RL threats, like stalkers, or is it to address IC game threats? The intent seems murky.

Both.