Yes id be more inclined to support that but i just dont see the need to change it. our voting system has been working just fine and if it aint broke dont try to fix it. 

But it is broken. It's difficult for the Assembly to overrule something the Cabinet agreed on, that's not fair and that's why the percentage needs to be lowered.

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I think we place too much precedent value on isolated incidents that (a) quite frankly almost never happen and (b) are meant to be difficult to override. You are forgetting that most measures that require 75% actually do pass easily, once they have been adequately debated and negotiated.

Exactly - we pass constitutional amendments all of the time. The only times we've struggled to pass constitutional amendments are in areas where a significant minority of the region disagrees with the proposal and the rest of the region is grabbing the pitchforks claiming angrily that we need to lower the voting threshold because it's not 'fair' that they can't get what they want.

We need to encourage dialogue, not drop voting percentages.

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The ability of a unified Cabinet to prevent a 75%-threshold vote is overstated. The Cabinet does not compose 25%+1 of eligible voters. That some votes garner such a small turnout that a unified Cabinet *can* constitute 25%+1 does not make the threshold a design flaw in the Charter. It means the Assembly could be more active, and the proponents of a measure should utilize the political process to get citizens active and voting. Getting turnout up to a measly 24 people would remove the power of a unified Cabinet to block a motion the rest of the voters support.

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Unibot, this has nothing to do with Bel and NEVER has when I've brought this up before. It is simply a way to improve on a system that I and other simply feel should be fine tuned.

Escade, we have never had a 66% threshold.

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I'll give a good example of how this 75% margin is bad.

Let's just say I'm a really, really terrible Minister. I mean the worst. I never do my job, I never fulfill any of my election promises, hell, I never even post in my Ministry's assigned forum since the day I was elected. Terrible job. However, I am active and I like to bitch a lot on the forums.

Let's say one day someone calls me out on my shenanigans and the majority of the region all agree that I've been doing a terrible job.

Oh well. Too bad.

As long as I can get a mere 26% of all voters to oppose my recall for any reason (ex. "Give him another chance", "You're all being mean", "I don't think this ministry should exist anyway so I don't care") then the 74% of all total voters can go screw.

And that's just plain stupid.

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How about a 70% margin? Or 65%?

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Unibot, this has nothing to do with Bel and NEVER has when I've brought this up before. It is simply a way to improve on a system that I and other simply feel should be fine tuned.

Escade, we have never had a 66% threshold.

Someone else can do the research but I'm pretty sure we did, Hileville.

If not I'll go through the old forums myself.

Wolf, I have to think about it but that is a hypothetical example. I want real examples from TSP where it hasn't been a matter of political squabbles. That's what I'm looking for.

Based on your example, let's say people wanted to recall Henn because of all the review delays and couldn't because of 24%. Well, you know what? Maybe people need to work with each other better instead of trying to outvote each other. Maybe the people who voted him into office learned a valuable lesson.

Something that Xoriet and I talked about was how much opposition there is in TSP politics. People need to work together more to get that 75%. Talk to each other whether on IRC or SKype or even PM\TG and work out compromises.

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People need to work together more to get that 75%. Talk to each other whether on IRC or SKype or even PM\TG and work out compromises.

The problem with that sort of logic is that you can make the percentile an absurd amount, 99% for example, and still apply that logic.

"Oh, well if that person was really doing such a bad job, and if we really wanted them gone we would have worked together to get the needed 99%!"

Lowering the percentage doesn't do anything more than ensure that the majority of the region can actually be heard and the will of the region followed, rather than every little vote being completely shutdown and stonewalled by 26% of voters.

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Unless you can show real examples of that having happened, this is all hypotheticals that don't hold up to scrutiny. Our Assembly is structured to require cooperation and consensus, not to impose majority rule just like that.

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Ok, you want a specific example? Let's look at Dalimbar's citizenship denial vote. There the vote was 15-8 in favor of overturning the denial, which failed because it was only 65.2% of the vote, not the required 75%.

There, now you have a real example, and not a hypothetical. Now no one can claim it's never happened.

Oh, and if you're looking for a recall specific example, then allow me to point out the 2014 recall attempt on Glen as Minister of Foreign Affairs which gathered a majority of the vote, 10-9 in favor, but failed because it only had 53% of the vote.

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