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66% is easier to achieve, yet not so easy that anyone can pass whatever they want.
And yet we had 66% on our old forums way back when and we have an CoA who put through typo ridden spelling error filled articles that easily got past. That's why we changed it to 75% because it was easy and because we had this whiplash of legislation passing and then having to be repealed because someone found a secret clause that Belschaft included to get rid of certain people he didn't like.
This was at least 75% of people are reading what they're voting for and approving it, that's why we now have the higher threshold. It's been working and I don't see a rollback to the dark ages of the Assembly as the way to move forward. At least if nothing else, let's monitor the next few Assembly votes and get some data on who's voting for what and what the percentages generally are. Right now a lot of this discussion is based on specific things that people wanted to get passed that didn't go through which is the nature of politics. People working together to reach compromise sounds like a healthy step forward for our region and stops some of this out of region nonsense that has seeped in recently. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest (05-24-2015, 07:46 PM)Escade Wrote: And yet we had 66% on our old forums way back when and we have an CoA who put through typo ridden spelling error filled articles that easily got past. That's why we changed it to 75% because it was easy and because we had this whiplash of legislation passing and then having to be repealed because someone found a secret clause that Belschaft included to get rid of certain people he didn't like. You keep saying that we had a 66% threshold before and that IS NOT the case. Originally Charter Amendments only required a 50% +1 and laws required 60%. That threshold was used until we switched both laws and Charter Amendments to 60% and then later to 75% for Charter Amendments. If you are going to continue saying we had a 66% threshold previously then prove it with a link. Because I've searched and I certainly can't find one and have been around a little longer than you. This change isn't about any one law or situation. This is about making it slightly easier to pass Charter Amendments and certain other votes (including forum move). Everyone says 75% has worked but it almost makes it impossible to achieve a lot of things. Under this system the forum move would have passed the first time (http://thesouthpacific.x10.mx/thread-1929.html). Under this system the Bel would still not have won his appeal (http://thesouthpacific.x10.mx/thread-1836.html).
66% (two-thirds majority) is more standard than 75% or 60%, and I support this change completely. I have voiced my concern/confusion over these odd thresholds before.
Hileville, you're right we had even worse with 60% (I confused 50 + 1 with meaning 66%) and raised it because of all the shenanigans that took place with that lower threshold. Do you remember the things that went through the Assembly with errors or secret clauses and then had to be repealed right afterwards? The whiplash of that is what bothers me.
I don't see 66% as being infinitely better then 60%. Maybe 70% but definitely not going to roll back to the time where things went through and then had to be repealed the next week. It's not about specific legislation from this term for me, Hileville. My own proposals were shot down because of this higher threshold. It's about my first few months in the Assembly and the bizarre experience of proposals not being adequately discussed and then ramrodded through because of the low threshold and then having to be discussed again and repealed. Maybe 70% as a compromise and we can see how things go from there? Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
See? 70% is a nice.
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75% is -not- an oddity - TRR, for example, uses 75% for all constitutional amendments - and it's worked just as well there as it has in TSP (except in TSP when some legislation fails to reach 75%, the losers scream about vote margins being unfair !?!?!). TEP uses 75% for arbiter removals, and overriding executive decisions (just as we do).
66% is an oddity - it's usually 2/3s, not 66%.
Oh knowing about the TEP thing is useful actually. I think overturning cabinet decisions should remain 75%.
Maybe 70% for legislation? We can try it out? Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
Let me state yet again that it really is not difficult for 75% bills to pass. When they do fail, it is usually bills that on average only achieve 46%, meaning they wouldn't pass under any majority test. Based on the data we have, lowering the percentage just isn't necessary.
In case someone asks, I do have the evidence to prove that 46% figure. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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