| 2016 in America |
Well, I don't know if I should say this here, but here it goes.
To the people currently protesting and rioting in the streets about the outcome of the election (I don't mean any of you personally), chanting "NOT MY PRESIDENT" and stuff like that, hoping that the Electoral College will magically change its mind and elect Hillary (I can't believe it can theoretically happen. That system is really fucked up), let's face it, she lost. Did she lose while having more popular votes? Yes, that's bullshit. Is the EC undemocratic? Yes, absolutely. However, we have to recognize that, under the current system, Trump won fair and square. Besides, Hillary has already conceded. You know I don't like Trump. In fact, I despise him. He's a racist, sexist, megalomaniacal douchebag with anger issues who will probably cause the apocalypse. However, he won a democratic (ish) election, and whether we want it or not, he'll be president for the next four years. Besides, remember when Trump said he would only accept the results if he won, and we were outraged? Well, not accepting the results now is a bit... hypocritical, to say the least. The best people can do now is ensure a peaceful transition of power. Peaceful transitions are the cornerstones of a democracy (I may have stolen that quote, but I don't remember from who). Don't devalue yours by not conceding defeat. If you have a democracy, you have to accept the good and the bad. Trust me. I've lived all my life in a quasi-dictatorship where some people can manipulate election results if they lose. It's not funny. If you want to help, start working for the next election, to ensure he is not reelected. Or even better, for the midterm, to ensure he has only two years to wreck shit. He'll probably fuck up anyway, so it should be easy task. Well, that was my little rant. Don't worry, I wasn't referring to any of you personally or generally. I only needed to get that out of my system.
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Representative of the Federal Republic of Karnetvor Resident Venezuelan/Lampshade Bar & Grill Manager- The South Pacific Soldier, South Pacific Special Forces "You're talkin' to the Rolex wearin', diamond ring wearin', kiss stealin', wheelin' n' dealin', limousine ridin', jet flyin', son of a gun, and I'm having a hard time keeping these alligators down!" "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair
Technically the EC could elect Clinton rather than Trump, just that would never had due to obvious reasons.
Qvait I'm clearly not going to be able to get through to you so I won't bother anymore, but if the party moves to the left and shit goes down, don't be surprised and maybe then you may understand that not everyone is as far left as you and the left won't win you an election. Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member Former Minister of Regional Affairs Former High Court Justice (11-13-2016, 12:40 PM)Punchwood Wrote: Qvait you are just proving my point, you don't understand middle America you live in a very left-wing part of the country. Look at the map of state control, it's overwhelmingly red. For every young voter you may get how many independents do you lose? How many middle ground voters do you lose when you win one left-wing one. The left will always vote for the Dems, why piss about giving them control when you need the middle ground to win? If Dems want to risk giving the party up to the left then they can do so, but when President Trump is re-elected they should know that they allowed it to happen. But that's precisely the Source of the problem, and why the Dems have to go left. The Dems tried have tried being the "centrist"(they weren't, they were Center-right) party since Reagan, and since then, the Centrist voter has been shafted with right leaning policy and deregulation that has caused the American middle class to disappear. As the Republicans have drifted farther right, it's only gotten worse. The only progress we've even really made in regards to real economic equality(or economic equity, for that matter) was Obamacare and the Consumer Financial Protections Bureau, and at least one of those is about to get shafted, not to mention the social issues that are about to go up in smoke as well. We don't have a Three party system like the UK does. We don't have a party on the left, one on the right, and one in the middle who keeps them in line. We have two parties, just two. And the farther right one goes, the farther right the policy will be, and the more dangerous the policy will be to the ever dwindling middle class, and an even more dangerous threat to the economic and social status of US citizens. Without the Dems going left, that policy will be far out of balance, alienating moderates even more from participation in government. I am by no means talking about having some radical, militant left like the American Right does, but, the Democrats have gone with the Centrist argument for so long, and after the Podesta Email Scandal, Citizen's United, and heavy Corporate involvement in the Dems(and Reps, for that matter), that Centrist argument has lost it's authenticity. Meanwhile, on the right, you have this strong, grassroots Conservative movement called the Tea Party, that is dragging the Republican Party(by force) to the Right. Without authenticity, without at least the guise of honesty in their message, the Democrats will never win an election again. 46.9% of eligible people didn't vote. Either because they didn't think it was important enough, or didn't have the time because they couldn't afford it, or because they've been alienated from the system because it's gone so far to the right. 46.9%. 149 million people, just about. More people didn't vote in the US, than live in the UK and France combined. All because of the way the system has been built for the last 4 decades. All because they had been alienated, or economically unable, or simply didn't think that their vote was either necessary or worth it, because their voice didn't matter. Your perspective, Punch, has been this whole time that Bernie Sanders Democrats or Progressives have been trying to turn the US into a large scale version of a working Soc. Dem. system, and while you're not wrong about that in the long term, right now, we have to bring the system back to the Center. Back to sanity. The first to step to that is bringing the Dems back to the Left, and giving them an authentic message, something people can believe in, and fight for. That's what Obama did with Obamacare, he came in on the Left with the original proposal of single-payer healthcare, and then negotiated with those on his Right to the Universal system we have now. That's what FDR did way back when during the New Deal to get Conservative Democrats on board. The Democrats need the Left, the US needs the Left, or else, there won't be a Center worth saving. And if you read this, and somehow still think I'm some crazed hobo madman, The Heir to the Senate Minority Leadership, and my Senator, Chuck Schumer, a man who is about as Corporate Democrat as you can get, understands this. He understands at the least the Democrats will need the Passionate Grassroots campaign that Bernie created if they ever want to win an election again. And that the only way he's getting that, is to start putting the Progressives in visible places of power, and letting their voices be heard at a national level. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/pol....html?_r=0 "The first step in solving any problem is recognizing that it exists"- Zig Ziglar
An eye for an eye just makes the whole world go blind.
~Mahatma Gandhi (11-13-2016, 12:40 PM)Punchwood Wrote: You don't understand middle America you live in a very left-wing part of the country. I may live in blue California, but I don't live where it's blue. You see, within San Diego County, which is also blue as a whole, there are regions like Central San Diego, East County, and South Bay. The region I live in is deep red. My district is represented by Republican Duncan D. Hunter and I went to school with a bunch of Trump supporters. You want to know what I saw? I saw people who didn't like Clinton nor did they respect her. I have friends who tweet about locking her up. However, a number of these people respected Bernie Sanders. Yes, they didn't necessarily like him, but at least they respected him. So please, don't make any assumptions about people. (11-14-2016, 01:57 PM)Resentine Wrote: Meanwhile, on the right, you have this strong, grassroots Conservative movement called the Tea Party, that is dragging the Republican Party(by force) to the Right. Without authenticity, without at least the guise of honesty in their message, the Democrats will never win an election again. Yes, and the Tea Party is mixing in with the Alt-Right. You can't even tell which is which anymore.
An Update: Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has endorsed Keith Ellison for DNC Chair, and Ellison officially announced his candidacy for the seat.
Harry Reid Endorsement: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harr...n=politics Ellison Official Announcement: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...-dnc-chair
An eye for an eye just makes the whole world go blind.
~Mahatma Gandhi The Democrats have delayed a vote for House Minority Leader. The word is that Tim Ryan of Ohio is considering making a play for the leadership. As much as I admire Nancy Pelosi, the party is in need of a major shakeup. Here's my list of party leaders:
Quote:"The case for Keith Ellison as the chair of the DNC: There's an article listing seven Democrats that can challenge Trump in 2020. The moderate wing of the Democratic Party had its chance to win here in 2016, and failed, so it's time to hand the baton. In my 2020 choice, I selected Tulsi Gabbard because she truly was the hero who resigned from being the vice chair of the DNC to endorse Bernie Sanders. She is someone who will energize the progressive base that Bernie won in the primaries. With respect to Cory Booker, he is someone who can energize the rest of the party.
So what does this mean? In 2020, Tulsi will be 39 and Cory will be 51. They will win the Millennial base, not to mention the fact that Tulsi could become the first Millennial to become President and the youngest President in the history of the country (beating Teddy Roosevelt by three years). The selection of Cory Booker would provide some energy in the African American base, which lagged for Clinton. Trump got 13% of the male African American vote; people didn't show up in Milwaukee, Detroit, or Philly, and you wonder why Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Tulsi could be the first non-Christian President in American history (she is Hindu).
I believe that a Gabbard/Booker ticket would provide plenty of hope for the Democratic Party, not to mention the voices that will campaign on their behalf: Joe Biden (to win back Pennsylvania), Keith Ellison (to hold Minnesota and take back the Midwest), Kamala Harris (a rising star from California), Kirsten Gillibrand and Bill Nelson (to hold on to the moderates and win back Florida), Barack Obama (to rebuild the Obama Coalition), Bernie Sanders (enough said), and Elizabeth Warren (to appeal to the populists). This will be the ticket that will make sure that Trump will be a one-term President. What do you think?
Edit: For the naysayers supporting the center, understand that Clinton is done, and the Clinton Democrats are done. That's back in the nineties. Game over. Second edit: There is some support from conservatives for Gabbard. From Red Alert Politics: "Trump should also look past his inner circle and possibly across the aisle, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) would be a great pick for Secretary of State given her past criticism of intervention as well as her dedication to combating radical Islamic terror." Of course, I wouldn't want her to take the job. It could be a career-ender due to the fact that she would be under Trump.
An except from the New York Observer. Coincidentally, I found that the publisher of this newspaper is Jared Kushner. So, yeah.
Quote: She has solid support from the Bernie Democrats and Independents voting for Bernie, not to mention some Republicans due to her strong anti-terrorist stance yet being a non-interventionist. You know, the Republicans have made a big deal out of President Obama not calling Islamic terror, well, Islamic terror. There are many Republicans that begrudgingly voted for Donald Trump. If Tulsi Gabbard is at the top of the ticket in 2020, I'm sure that those Republicans will vote for her. They stayed with Trump because his opponent was Hillary Clinton, enough said. I strongly believe that she is The Great Uniter that America has been looking for.
(11-17-2016, 04:07 PM)Qvait Wrote: An except from the New York Observer. Coincidentally, I found that the publisher of this newspaper is Jared Kushner. So, yeah. I certainly think it's a good idea, but, I doubt the Corp. Dems would be willing to give that up willingly, considering they're putting Bernie and Ellison in Leadership and Warren's already been in Leadership for a while. But, of course, we'll never know if we don't push for it. With that said, our first official Challenger for House Minority Leadership is Ohio Democrat Tim Ryan, form the 13th Congressional District. He has served on both the House Appropriations Committee and the House Budget Committee. He has been a member of Congress since 2003. Official Annoucement: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/306633...leadership Tim Ryan Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Ryan_(politician)
An eye for an eye just makes the whole world go blind.
~Mahatma Gandhi (11-17-2016, 05:10 PM)Resentine Wrote: I certainly think it's a good idea, but, I doubt the Corp. Dems would be willing to give that up willingly, considering they're putting Bernie and Ellison in Leadership and Warren's already been in Leadership for a while. But, of course, we'll never know if we don't push for it. I have yet to find out where my future Senator, Kamala Harris, stands. She will be succeeding Barbara Boxer. There is speculation that she may run in 2020. I don't want that. As of this moment, she is the Attorney General of California, so she could the USAG under Gabbard. I think the best thing to do is rally behind her, but she needs to be loud and have a "take no prisoners" strategy against the corporate Democrats that may challenge her in 2020.
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