I mean, instead of writing law every time we want to give someone mass TG powers, just write a law saying its under the Delegate's purview.


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I will post here merely on behalf of a non-citizen resident who sent me a telegram earlier today:

I had an idea for the Local Council, by the way. When I was thinking about it, it could use 2 things:
- remove the restrictions on being a councillor so even people in cabinet can serve on the LC
- encourage the rise of political parties in the LC
Benefit of political parties is it encourages people to create a platform with objectives for the LC and a vision - and I think parties might interest residents more because they don't personally know many people running for the LC. So parties might excite then more. You'd still be able to run as an independent though. You'd just win as an independent councillor.

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I mean, instead of writing law every time we want to give someone mass TG powers, just write a law saying its under the Delegate's purview.


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Well, no. I mean -- that's why we're having another thread on how regional officers are spread out. Otherwise, why not let the delegate decide who gets any powers at all?

To Kris's post -- I think that's a good idea. At least the party idea. Idk if we want to have Local Councillors also be other officials ... but parties in the regional could be a good way to generate interest.

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I have been in continued communication with this resident, and they sent me this telegram, with two hypothetical parties:

Reform Party
Values:
* Responsibility
* Security
* Community
* Grassroots democracy

Liberal Party
Values:
* Free Speech
* Openness
* Culture
* Mixed government

There's lot of issues I'd call "hard" issues for the Local Council:

* Conduct Violations (Reporting violations to the Judiciary)
* Regional Security (Reporting to the CSS; Handling crises)
* Adspam
* Regional Officers

On these the Reform Party would be tough, pushing for harder penalties to uphold the law with as much oversight as possible; while the Liberty Party would probably want to be more lax.

Then there's "soft issues":
* Communication
* Aesthetics
* Culture
* Regional Tags

On these issues, Liberals might see the rise of public media as way to reverse poor communication with residents, while the Reform party would tout the region's tradition of private media. Aesthetic and culture wise, the Reform party would want a laxer, friendly "party" feel for the region, while the Liberal party, still sunny in their outlook, would want a bit more professionalism and an expansion of roleplaying.

And finally, the ultimate issue would be democracy itself. The Reform Party (as it says in the name) would want an expansion of the Local Council and a greater voice and greater rights for residents while the Liberal Party would argue the Local Council is just one part of the region's social fabric and anyone wanting a greater say in the governing of the region's affairs could join the forum but that the "split" between the forum and the region isn't necessarily in and of itself wrong.

I think both parties could catch on and become popular (I encourage others to guess which party they'd be apart of); and I think by having these parties they'd help to drive discussion within the region with regards to what kind of region they would like. I've based the issues off of the Local Council's own mandate. The Local Council could encourage the rise of political parties by passing their own ordinance which devises rules and regulations for local political parties.

Personally, I don't intend to give my own opinion. I may or may not agree with the above proposals. But, I did think it was important to convey the thoughts and suggestions of our residents, as outlined in this post.

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Tsu, to your reluctance of the multiple offices with the LC, what's the harm? They're two totally separate mediums with little overlap. Unlike the executive and the judicial, for example.

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I mean, instead of writing law every time we want to give someone mass TG powers, just write a law saying its under the Delegate's purview.


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Well, no. I mean -- that's why we're having another thread on how regional officers are spread out. Otherwise, why not let the delegate decide who gets any powers at all?

To Kris's post -- I think that's a good idea. At least the party idea. Idk if we want to have Local Councillors also be other officials ... but parties in the regional could be a good way to generate interest.

Mass TG powers aren't as important as the others. I don't really care who can send a Mass TG, but I do care who can ban and eject people.

We're just always talking about new Mass TGs to send-- for the military, for the LC, for elections, for whatever. I'd rather make the law dynamic than have to revisit it every time we want to let someone new send a TG.

As for political parties-- that's something anybody can create. We can't really legislate them into existence!

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As for political parties-- that's something anybody can create. We can't really legislate them into existence!

I think the point the resident was trying to make was that having the Local Council issue an ordinance to regulate how a party could be created and registered might help encourage their use in LC elections and bring more dynamism and incentives for newcomers to run.

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Tsu, to your reluctance of the multiple offices with the LC, what's the harm? They're two totally separate mediums with little overlap. Unlike the executive and the judicial, for example.

My concern isn't a concentration of power, but rather a concentration of opportunity. Especially now, the LC has been a place where people can start on move onto other things. I'm concerned that opening it to all would kill that.

Mass TG powers aren't as important as the others. I don't really care who can send a Mass TG, but I do care who can ban and eject people.

We're just always talking about new Mass TGs to send-- for the military, for the LC, for elections, for whatever. I'd rather make the law dynamic than have to revisit it every time we want to let someone new send a TG.

As for political parties-- that's something anybody can create. We can't really legislate them into existence!

Well, we can set out a dynamic where *more* people are given that ability (under the delegate's discretion), but we should set some standards on which offices get that power.

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A response to the above post from our resident:

I believe one of the issues with the LC has been that only new members have run for it - some experienced players, some movers and shakers would help to define the LC and its role - a few of the region's Kringalia's and Tsunamy's would go a long way towards asserting the institution's important role in the region's social fabric. Right now, newer players skip the LC and use the deputy ministries and the Court as a stepping stone to cabinet instead; especially because the LC seems to lack legitimacy without any recognized names in it. A Permanant Undersecretary for the LC appointed by the delegate may also be a way of getting someone experienced and dedicated to train new councillors, oversee the development of the LC in the long term and help the LC's do their job. Otherwise councillors are faced with the problem of "what now?" when they win.

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I feel like the LC is a good training position that helps get people into government, and helps prepare them for holding other offices. It's also pulled people onto the forums.

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