Noting the fact that you said Nazis and other fascist groups, would you advocate and support a change in the proposed CAIN treaty that applied to not just Nazis, but other fascists as well?

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I am leaving the APC immexplainedly . I do not feel confrontable with having someone who willingly  helped a coup being a member of the party. Our party was founded to protect the collation when the Cabinet that Imki was Vice Dele, willingly carried out a coup. Imki recived no punishment for her actions and we  only reward her by changing the Charter as she wanted, elected her into office and now we have welcomed her into our party with open arms.

Our party was founded when Imki was involved in an attempted coup. We were founded to stand up to her and all those involved, we have let her into our party. I do not dislike Imki but I cannot forgive her actions or the actions of my party. I wish the APC well however it is going somewhere I cannot follow.

The above post is from August, where you abruptly left the APC, stating "I wish the APC well however it is going somewhere I cannot follow."
What has changed in the last two months that you suddenly felt the need to reapply in the midst of the Cabinet elections?

Well in short I have decided to stay in TSP. As I explained in my re-applilcation post I used Imki joinning the party as an excuse to leave as it seemed belivable. Since I have decided to remain in TSP I had planned to re-join the APC though at first after Cabinet elections. I can should you proof of this should you want it from logs to Griffin. I then decided however that should teh region elect me Minister it would be unfair for me to then join the APC, without giving the region a choice if it wanted an APC Minister. It was not some dodgy deal if that is something some of you are thinking it was merely for a fairer election.

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Noting the fact that you said Nazis and other fascist groups would you advocate and support a change in the proposed CAIN treaty that applied to not just Nazis, but other fascists as well?

Yes absolutely, we should use the CAIN Treaty to help in the battle agianst all fascist groups and not just one very well known and vocal group.

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Former Local Council Member
Former Minister of Regional Affairs
Former High Court Justice

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I am leaving the APC immexplainedly . I do not feel confrontable with having someone who willingly  helped a coup being a member of the party. Our party was founded to protect the collation when the Cabinet that Imki was Vice Dele, willingly carried out a coup. Imki recived no punishment for her actions and we  only reward her by changing the Charter as she wanted, elected her into office and now we have welcomed her into our party with open arms.

Our party was founded when Imki was involved in an attempted coup. We were founded to stand up to her and all those involved, we have let her into our party. I do not dislike Imki but I cannot forgive her actions or the actions of my party. I wish the APC well however it is going somewhere I cannot follow.

The above post is from August, where you abruptly left the APC, stating "I wish the APC well however it is going somewhere I cannot follow."
What has changed in the last two months that you suddenly felt the need to reapply in the midst of the Cabinet elections?

Well in short I have decided to stay in TSP. As I explained in my re-applilcation post I used Imki joinning the party as an excuse to leave as it seemed belivable. Since I have decided to remain in TSP I had planned to re-join the APC though at first after Cabinet elections. I can should you proof of this should you want it from logs to Griffin. I then decided however that should teh region elect me Minister it would be unfair for me to then join the APC, without giving the region a choice if it wanted an APC Minister. It was not some dodgy deal if that is something some of you are thinking it was merely for a fairer election.

Wouldn't it have made more sense, and looked less dodgy, if you waited until after the elections.
To some, it may seems as though you rejoined just for the possibility of the APC endorsement, having left so abruptly before.

How can the citizens of TSP have confidence in you as MoFA, if you couldn't simply tell the truth about why you left the APC in the first place?

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Well yes I did mention that to Griffin when I was considering re-joining, I used the same words in fact. I decided not to bother with petty politics and a poor image but instead focused on doing the right thing. I would like to point out that the likelihood was I was going to recive the APC endorsement regardless seeing as I had already told Griffin I was going to re-join and it being my old party. I will admit I find it hard to see why you are making this an issue, myself or Griffin can show you the logs where I raise this very same issue. I choice to re-join during the election so that voters got a real choice, I think that was the right thing to do and I will stand by it.

Because leaving the party apruptly would just have raised more questions and would have lead to suspicion. I had been waiting for some kind of opportunity like that and I took it.

Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member
Former Minister of Regional Affairs
Former High Court Justice

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Well yes I did mention that to Griffin when I was considering re-joining, I used the same words in fact. I decided not to bother with petty politics and a poor image but instead focused on doing the right thing. I would like to point out that the likelihood was I was going to recive the APC endorsement regardless seeing as I had already told Griffin I was going to re-join and it being my old party. I will admit I find it hard to see why you are making this an issue, myself or Griffin can show you the logs where I raise this very same issue. I choice to re-join during the election so that voters got a real choice, I think that was the right thing to do and I will stand by it.

Because leaving the party apruptly would just have raised more questions and would have lead to suspicion. I had been waiting for some kind of opportunity like that and I took it.

I really think that leaving the party for the reason 'I'm leaving the region' would have been completely acceptable and I cannot understand why you would make up a reason more convoluted, incendiary and, I think, cruel.

It's quite easy to understand why people might more readily believe that the original reason you gave was, in fact, the genuine one and that you have now retracted it so you may return to the APC, in order to aid you in your campaign.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, however, this has been poorly handled and does not reflect well on your ability to represent the region as its Minister of Foreign Affairs. I can only hope that you handle such things better, with greater consideration, in the future, especially should you be elected.

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Yahweo usenneo ir varleo, ihraneo jurlaweo hraseu seu, ir jiweveo arladi.

Salma 145:8

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The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love.
Psalm 145: 8

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Well yes I did mention that to Griffin when I was considering re-joining, I used the same words in fact. I decided not to bother with petty politics and a poor image but instead focused on doing the right thing. I would like to point out that the likelihood was I was going to recive the APC endorsement regardless seeing as I had already told Griffin I was going to re-join and it being my old party. I will admit I find it hard to see why you are making this an issue, myself or Griffin can show you the logs where I raise this very same issue. I choice to re-join during the election so that voters got a real choice, I think that was the right thing to do and I will stand by it.

Because leaving the party apruptly would just have raised more questions and would have lead to suspicion. I had been waiting for some kind of opportunity like that and I took it.

I really think that leaving the party for the reason 'I'm leaving the region' would have been completely acceptable and I cannot understand why you would make up a reason more convoluted, incendiary and, I think, cruel.

It's quite easy to understand why people might more readily believe that the original reason you gave was, in fact, the genuine one and that you have now retracted it so you may return to the APC, in order to aid you in your campaign.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, however, this has been poorly handled and does not reflect well on your ability to represent the region as its Minister of Foreign Affairs. I can only hope that you handle such things better, with greater consideration, in the future, especially should you be elected.

I will have to take a screenshot of the logs between Griffin and I so that I can prove I am no lier which you ate accusing me of being on two separate accounts. Accidently I'm sure.

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Former Local Council Member
Former Minister of Regional Affairs
Former High Court Justice

(This post was last modified: 10-12-2016, 08:56 AM by Punchwood.)

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Well yes I did mention that to Griffin when I was considering re-joining, I used the same words in fact. I decided not to bother with petty politics and a poor image but instead focused on doing the right thing. I would like to point out that the likelihood was I was going to recive the APC endorsement regardless seeing as I had already told Griffin I was going to re-join and it being my old party. I will admit I find it hard to see why you are making this an issue, myself or Griffin can show you the logs where I raise this very same issue. I choice to re-join during the election so that voters got a real choice, I think that was the right thing to do and I will stand by it.

Because leaving the party apruptly would just have raised more questions and would have lead to suspicion. I had been waiting for some kind of opportunity like that and I took it.

I really think that leaving the party for the reason 'I'm leaving the region' would have been completely acceptable and I cannot understand why you would make up a reason more convoluted, incendiary and, I think, cruel.

It's quite easy to understand why people might more readily believe that the original reason you gave was, in fact, the genuine one and that you have now retracted it so you may return to the APC, in order to aid you in your campaign.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, however, this has been poorly handled and does not reflect well on your ability to represent the region as its Minister of Foreign Affairs. I can only hope that you handle such things better, with greater consideration, in the future, especially should you be elected.

I will have to take a screenshot of the logs between Griffin and I so that I can prove I am no lier which you ate accusing me of being on two separate accounts. Accidently I'm sure.

Actually, my point was not about what the truth of the matter actually is (I don't very much care), but in how poorly the whole affair has been handled, whatever the truth might be. Post the logs, by all means, but try not to politick so clumsily in the future.

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And The Silicon Pens [Discord], a writer's group for the South Pacific and beyond!

Yahweo usenneo ir varleo, ihraneo jurlaweo hraseu seu, ir jiweveo arladi.

Salma 145:8

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The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love.
Psalm 145: 8

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Naturally I disagree with you on how it was handled however I'll keep your advice in mind.

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Former Local Council Member
Former Minister of Regional Affairs
Former High Court Justice

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I think the choice in this race is stark:

We have one candidate who's campaign shows preparation and vision.

We have another who's campaign shows it was created at the last minute, and that it lacks vision or a backup plan.

Punchwood has the baggage of youth. Despite the fact that other more respected people in this region have acted the same at times, including myself, it's become a quarterly excuse to dismiss him as immature and not ready for office. I think coming with a prepared campaign and a clear vision and motivation for the office has earned Punchwood a chance at proving himself.

His opponent Sam, when asked what his backup plan is if he fails to do what several previous MoFAs tried and failed to do with the FA Academy, said he had no backup. That shows a huge level of unpreparedness.

For this reason-- even excluding Sam's participation in Hileville's coup-- the choice for me is obvious. I'll choose the candidate who prepared to run and has the vision and motivation, any day.

Good luck Punch!


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