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~~Cormac~~ · 03-28-2017, 07:12 PM

(03-28-2017, 05:13 PM)Belschaft Wrote:
(03-28-2017, 04:35 PM)sandaoguo Wrote:
(03-28-2017, 03:24 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I think it makes sense to just stick it with the rest of the legislative rules, rather than have them spread out in several places.

And that's how you get an unmanageable and bloated charter. This isn't a constitional issue, so it shouldn't be in the constitution. It's also something we don't need to subject to a supermajority to pass now or change in the future.

Whether or not it's constitutional, that's where the rest of our legislative rules are. Seeing how the only sensible thing to do is keep them in one place, either we add this there or move the entire section elsewhere.

This actually isn't a terrible idea. Article IV, Sections 5, 7-8, and 10 really don't need to be in the Charter and it would be fine for a majority to change them. Section 6 makes sense in the Charter, because we don't want a majority being able to vote to remove a supermajority threshold for laws that require it.

So maybe Rebeltopia or someone should draft a procedural general law and remove the superfluous procedural provisions from the Charter?

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***sandaoguo*** · 03-29-2017, 06:08 AM

I would be fine moving most legislative rules to a regular majority law. I just know we have a history of wanting to change voting lengths, so subjecting it to a 3/5s supermajority vote is unnecessary and probably a bad idea in the long run.

Also, Omega: no, the courts don't determine what counts as constitutional. That's our job. More specifically, the chair's job.

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Omega · 03-29-2017, 06:07 PM

I don't think our laws say that that is the Chair's job.
I do agree though that all procedures should be moved into a general law that can be amended with a simple majority of members of the Assembly.

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***sandaoguo*** · 03-29-2017, 06:52 PM

It says so in the Amendment article of the Charter, at the very end of the first section. I added that specifically because we had a very bad habit of adding everything and the kitchen sink to the Charter Tounge

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~~Cormac~~ · 03-30-2017, 01:49 PM

Is @Rebeltopia interested in drafting a general law for Assembly procedure? If not, I would be glad to draft something up. I like legislating. Tounge

**Seraph** · 03-30-2017, 03:17 PM

(03-30-2017, 01:49 PM)Cormac Wrote: Is @Rebeltopia interested in drafting a general law for Assembly procedure? If not, I would be glad to draft something up. I like legislating.

I'd have been tempted to offer the same if I wasn't supposed to be writing a job application (with a headache). I'll happily chip in to whatever is written, though.

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**Belschaft** · 03-30-2017, 03:19 PM

What about some kind of "service" requirement? Legislators must maintain a WA nation endorsing the Delegate, or be active in one of the three ministries?

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**Seraph** · 03-30-2017, 03:37 PM

(03-30-2017, 03:19 PM)Belschaft Wrote: What about some kind of "service" requirement? Legislators must maintain a WA nation endorsing the Delegate, or be active in one of the three ministries?

Wrong thread?

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**Belschaft** · 03-30-2017, 03:54 PM

Wrong thread Sad

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~~Cormac~~ · 04-15-2017, 03:58 PM

This has gone without discussion for a while, so I thought I would go ahead and draft up some legislation. I haven't really added much to the current legislative rules found in the Charter, just cleaned up their language a bit, added voting times (which was the original point of this thread), and included an amendment to remove all non-essential rules from the Charter. If anyone has suggestions for additions to legislative rules, I'm open to adding more.

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Legislative Procedure Act
An Act to define the procedural rules of the Assembly in general law

1. Legislative Rules

(1) A bill or appointment will be moved to vote upon a motion by a legislator and second by another legislator, should the Chair or their designated deputy determine that there has been sufficient debate. Debate must last for a minimum period of time equivalent to the length of the voting period for the bill or appointment in question.

(2) Legislative voting periods will be determined according to the following schedule:
a. General laws, resolutions, and appointments will remain at vote for three days.
b. Constitutional laws, amendments to constitutional laws, resolutions dealing with matters of constitutional law, and treaties will remain at vote for five days.

(3) The Chair or their designated deputy is responsible for creating voting threads and recording votes. In the event that the Chair or their designated deputy does not or cannot perform their duties in a reasonable time frame, any legislator may create a voting thread and record votes.

(4) The legislative history of each law will be recorded by the Chair or their designated deputy. Legislative history will include reference to debate threads, voting results, and amendment history.

2. Amendment to the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific

(1) Article IV, Sections 5-9 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

Amendment to Article IV, Sections 5-9 Wrote:5. All bills will be moved to a vote upon receiving a second by another legislator, should the Chair or their designated deputy determine that there has been sufficient debate on the issue. Debate must last for a minimum period of time equivalent to that proposed legislation will be at vote for.

6. 5. All general laws, resolutions, and treaty ratifications must be passed by a simple majority of those voting. Laws marked as constitutional laws, or resolutions that deal with issues found in constitutional laws, require a three-fifths supermajority of those voting to pass. Appointments, unless otherwise specified, require a simple majority of those voting.

7. The Chair or their designated deputy is responsible for the creation of a voting thread, and recording the votes. In the event that the Chair or their designated deputy does not or cannot perform their duties in a reasonable timeframe, any member of the Assembly may create a voting thread.

8. 6. Should a debate lead to multiple competing bills on a single issue, the Chair will bring the competing bills to vote separately and simultaneously, in the same way regular business is done. The bill that gets the most aye votes and meets minimum threshold requirements will become law.

9. The legislative history of all laws will be recorded by the Chair, including debate threads, vote results, and amendment histories.

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