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As someone who helped to found The New Inquisition, I don't see how any of this has got to do with TSP-TNI relations.
(06-10-2014, 06:09 PM)Unibot Wrote: Make political parties. Structure it. Pretending the Assembly should work as one happy family really is setting expectations that will never be fulfilled in a political system. We are divided and we can resolve issues better negotiating as parties, instead of playing politics as individuals alone - where battling each other becomes personal. I think this is a pretty good idea. Structuring it more would instill a sense of camaraderie within parties, and overall would extend to the region. People who be working together in an official, "party" way, and I think that would strengthen us as a region.
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Former High Court Justice (06-10-2014, 05:56 PM)Unibot Wrote: I think ending our relations with The New Inquisition would resolve a lot of the internal tension. Most of the infighting is between members of the old guard who are pro-UIAF or anti-UIAF. This is a silent pre-text of most of our debates which nobody wants to publicly admit.Congratulations, you have hypocritically cited the problem here. And no, not what you said, its that blatant pre-text. (06-10-2014, 07:03 PM)Sir Pitt Wrote: As someone who helped to found The New Inquisition, I don't see how any of this has got to do with TSP-TNI relations.Because TSP is caught in the middle of very vocal members who are trying to push the agendas of their side in this stupid "defender"-"imperialist" war. And neither side is willing to give the other an inch. I hadn't read the assembly for a few days before I'd submitted my resignation. Thank you to the assembly for reinforcing one reason why I did it. It's funny, after around a year nearly every group in a community I've joined collapses due to internal conflict. So far TSP seems well on track, and only 12 days to my nation's anniversary.
The problem in TSP is pretty simple. There are political blocs, and so there are political enemies. People pick fights with their enemies, no matter how silly or serious the subject matter is, because their ultimate goal is to topple them.
I don't think there's anything we can do to "fix" that. I don't know if creating political parties is a good idea, because there are a lot of leaders in this region, and not very many follows. I also don't think the political culture is willing to be that open. People prefer to keep their agendas secret.
I don't think that is really true.
I know I have tried to make an effort to judge every post based on the content and approach every issue based on what I feel is right, and I think most people try to do the same thing. Even though I frequently disagree with Unibot, I still went to bat for him politically when he was unjustly banned, and I eventually wound up being removed for my dissent. I have supported your major proposal as MoFA, and recently publicly complimented an embassy update you crafted. I have agreed and disagreed with every member of the region. People have and will always disagree in any region or place, including TSP. The problem is the lack of compromise, and inflammatory statements towards other people's point of view resulting in a pissing match in defending the point of view rather than make it work. I took a break from this region because the discourse is exhausting, I come back to talk about one issue, and I am over reacting and my ideas are not founded in reality, while multiple people agreed with me. I have put in over a half a decade in this region and have never felt it isn't worth putting time and effort into it until now. I completely understand why escade left, because this shit is the complete opposite of fun.
Definitely not everybody in TSP falls into a bloc. But enough people do. Blocs have been forming ever since Escade's first election, because it was the first time in a very long time that the same people weren't running things, and that the region wasn't unified on almost everything. That's the conclusion I've reached after talking to people, so I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks this.
I think these fights will just need to play themselves out. We're in a winner and loser culture right now. Sooner or later we'll have winners and losers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Agreed. But the toll it's gonna take before it settles out is what I'm worried about.
TSP has always had the proverbial Drama Llama. But the infighting and the constant resignations and the overwhelming stress that current situations have placed on the entire region is really just unnecessary. People need to realize that there isn't only one way to run a region. Everyone here has ideas about how to do things. They ALL deserve to be heard. Some even deserve to be given a chance. No one person/idea is better than another. (Ok... the idea part MAYBE, but you get my point.) and that is what people have to remember. Maybe we should start LISTENING to each other and remembering that we ALL want whats best for TSP. Just a thought...
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Nothing Gold Can Stay Penguins shall one day rule the pie! And by "pie", I mean "World"!! Goddess Empress Queen Princess Lady of TSP Lilium Inter Spinas // Non timebo mala I have done a lot of things in the Region in my History. There's a list somewhere if you wanna go looking.
I agree this is part of a learning curve as we drift into a new/next generation of TSP. What everyone loses sight of is these arguments occur between the same 10 or so people of the 4000+ nations in the region trying to define how they, as individuals, WANT the game played. What I've never understood is why, as a feeder region, we try and limit ourselves to a little corner of the game. RP? Go for it either here, the RMB or the in-game forum. SPSF/NSA too defender? Why can't a seperate raider army be created and why can't people belong to both? It's really silly to limit this region to nothing but Assembly Debates where we post pages of arguments, finally getting a bill to vote where less than 20 people decide a law that the FIRST time it's used is found to have missed something or got passed and written with typos. In the past year, we as a region have done nothing but argue over charter and CoLs just to fight over them again because someone forgot a coma.
To wrap up, stop trying to pick THE way we are going to plat the game, and start defineing how YOU want to run your little piece of it. Sent from my SM-G730V using Tapatalk
@Penguin: I agree with pretty much everything you've said. The most important thing you've said, to me, is that different people have different ideas about how to run the region. I think there's a lack of respect for institutions right now. It's like elections don't matter much at all, because elected officials don't get any deference for winning an election. I personally feel like we're always in campaign mode. Elected officials are doing what they think will get them reelected, while some others are waiting for a reason to recall them. That really extends to the administration team, too, though it's possible that I'm conflated the two because of my dual role.
Unibot made the comparison to American politics. Sometimes, I feel that we're in a post-2010 America, when Republicans decided to oppose everything Obama and Democrats wanted just to see them fail. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has felt that way at times. It's not like that all the time, but I've personally felt this way since the forum move. @QuietDad: I agree that TSP isn't just about the Assembly. We should be working on other areas of the forum community to make them even better. The Assembly is where a lot of fighting happens, though, because it's the main place where people's different ideas on how to best run the region are presented and debated. @Awe: Procedures are good, and I'm sure the Chair could use a document to point to when people get out of hand. It complements the moderation policy & guide the admin team has been working on, too. But we aren't roleplaying here, so the OOC/IC part doesn't make much sense. 
While I respect your point QuietDad, I don't think any region can truly survive with two such separate factions. Also, where would be the incentive to debate/discuss ideas, if everyone could just split off into their own separate bit of TSP?
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