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(05-31-2018, 09:19 AM)Pencil Sharpeners Wrote: Currently there's a lot of talking about releasing logs, a lot of talking about what's in the logs, but not a lot of actual releasing going on. It seems that, now at least, all Cabinet members are on board with releasing logs, so could this happen sooner rather than later? If we are releasing logs - I want a full release (rather than a convenient pre-selected narrative that Roavin has been spinning) which means from the beginning of the term until now. Whoever the auditor or auditors are should release the entire cabinet, FA Team, security room and relevant DM groups after redacting personal and confidential info. SouthernBellz has stated that he may be able to look through it all this weekend. If that is so, then he (as a former delegate and fomer CRS member) should be given the appropriate access along with Pencil Sharpeners and Serres who already got access. They can go through a file of it all and redact personal info, secure info, and then share it. It will be an interesting case study (and I agree with Tsunamy that there is nothing actionable but the region will probably learn something about one term of a cabinet and its issues). I'm trying to avoid arguing but Roavin has even at least once pinged me about this in the Legislator-Lounge (re: baiting me about the Cormac post). I'm not sure how Roavin deciding which logs to release and keep private adds to this process especially when he is exhibiting all the signs that older players recognize of burnout, ranting, scapegoating, vitriol and spreading misinformation. P.S. This still stands: I would hope to see both Roavin and Glen Rhodes not participate in the upcoming election cycle and be honest to the region. I myself will not be running as I believe it is important for me to take this time to reflect and grow as an individual before taking on leadership roles once again. So gentlemen, agreement? Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
(05-31-2018, 04:27 PM)Escade Wrote: If we are releasing logs - I want a full release (rather than a convenient pre-selected narrative that Roavin has been spinning) which means from the beginning of the term until now. Whoever the auditor or auditors are should release the entire cabinet, FA Team, security room and relevant DM groups after redacting personal and confidential info. My plan was to dump the entire exports into a google doc and have all Ministers look over it and suggest what to redact. Is that not good enough for you? (05-31-2018, 04:27 PM)Escade Wrote: SouthernBellz has stated that he may be able to look through it all this weekend. If that is so, then he (as a former delegate and fomer CRS member) should be given the appropriate access along with Pencil Sharpeners and Serres who already got access. They can go through a file of it all and redact personal info, secure info, and then share it. It will be an interesting case study (and I agree with Tsunamy that there is nothing actionable but the region will probably learn something about one term of a cabinet and its issues). While I principally have no issues with having somebody else do the redactions, I should note that we still need to have input on things that need to be redacted not for petty personal reasons but for actual grounded reasons of operational security. (05-31-2018, 04:27 PM)Escade Wrote: I'm trying to avoid arguing but Roavin has even at least once pinged me about this in the Legislator-Lounge (re: baiting me about the Cormac post). I'm not sure how Roavin deciding which logs to release and keep private adds to this process especially when he is exhibiting all the signs that older players recognized of burnout, ranting, scapegoating, vitriol and spreading misinformation. Pot, meet Kettle? I've been honest and forthcoming the entire time. Whenever you lied, I explained how. Meanwhile, all you've been saying is the equivalent of "NO U". I look forward to the release of the logs for this reason. (05-31-2018, 04:27 PM)Escade Wrote: P.S. This still stands: I'll repeat myself again: my plans, enumerated earlier, have not changed, and I don't think Glen's plans should change either. You do you. ![[Image: XXPV74Y.png?1]](https://i.imgur.com/XXPV74Y.png?1)
Listen, Roavin you obviously need a break. I'm sorry that your burnout has gotten so bad. We should have listened when you said you were thinking about not running and then later resigning and let you take a break. It's too late now, you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
If this was a court of law, you would have to prove all your misinformation with actual evidence. Since it is the ranting of a burned out person it is vitriol non-stop. Maybe you can stop with that for a second and think about what is best for the region as a whole. I trust CRS members. You already gave access to most of these areas to Serres who conducted the independent investigation you wanted but his conclusions did not assuage your witchhunt. SouthernBellz a former delegate and former CRS member should be able to look through it all. Once they've gone through the log dumps of all the relevant places and determined what to share, all the ministers need to do is make sure no personal or opsec info remains and then say, "Release these." Which I am happy to do provided you are not at the helm of this endeavor since you've already captained the Titanic. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
(05-31-2018, 04:27 PM)Escade Wrote: P.S. This still stands: Considering my sole involvement in this saga is... not agreeing with some FA decisions and being verbally abused for months, I have no clue why you're calling on me to not participate in upcoming elections, except maybe to subsume me into the Cabinet dysfunction so that my corroboration is dismissed. The problem is the Cabinet. I am not in the Cabinet. If you're going to take personal responsibility by announcing you're not running, you shouldn't tarnish it by making it into a power move. :\ Also, I'll say again on this call for CRS members to review a bunch of logs... I am a CRS member. (05-31-2018, 04:55 PM)sandaoguo Wrote:(05-31-2018, 04:27 PM)Escade Wrote: P.S. This still stands: This is disingenuous because you are an adviser on the FA Team and the RA team. You've advised both me and Roavin heavily throughout this and the past terms on FA and other issues. You were as much a part of these problems as anyone else (excluding Somy who was not on these teams and of course this makes us reflect on his isolation from the rest of us, something to also perhaps be looked at in terms of protocols). P.S. This is why I'd like the Auditors to take a look at the FA Team HQ logs and the RA Team ones. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
I see you've learned the Solornian method of argumentation: Never engage, just deflect.
(05-31-2018, 04:52 PM)Escade Wrote: If this was a court of law, you would have to prove all your misinformation with actual evidence. Okay, then. Make a list of what I supposedly lied about and I will prove every single one right now. Let's do this. My prediction: We won't live to see this list.
I would like to note that rather than engage with Roavin in another battle (and he is intent on arguing and battle from the beginning and continues to ping me in Discord to bait), I'd rather focus on the logs being released in a timely manner with the Auditors.
Can we get Serres, SouthernBellz, and maybe PencilSharpeners to agree to look over all the relevant channels and groups and make a full audited log of this term? Would it be possible to be done asap? Here is a list of places, fellow ministers feel free to add any additional ones: - cabinet channel - FA team channel - security room - two groups DMs (AJ and LegCom) - RA team channel - Situation Room and forumside cabinet discussions Thank you. If anyone else with a long history and respect in this region can do the above, that would be great as well. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
I have asked Roavin to stop the hostility and baiting, but it continues in the Discord. It's highly uncomfortable to try to come up with a solution with the constant baiting.
Anyway, it seems like it is agreed that the cabinet will do a first audit of the cabinet channel (only to clear personal and opsec information).. Then an external Auditor should be able to follow up on that. I'd like to ask all players invested in these logs to demand them from all the places that show cabinet interaction and work. - cabinet channel - FA team channel - security room - one group DMs (AJ) - RA team channel - Situation Room and forumside cabinet discussions (05-31-2018, 05:02 PM)Escade Wrote: I would like to note that rather than engage with Roavin in another battle (and he is intent on arguing and battle from the beginning and continues to ping me in Discord to bait), I'd rather focus on the logs being released in a timely manner with the Auditors. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
It's not baiting. It's calling your bluff. If you're uncomfortable defending your hubris, that's your issue, not mine.
Again, if you can kindly point out where I've lied, I'll be happy to point out why those are not lies (and if I was wrong, correct myself and apologize). The process to put together the logs has started, by the way, well before Escade's post. This is just her trying to drown out her being called out.
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