Why is it worse? I still don’t understand this argument that things will worsen if, for some reasons, parties aren’t explicitly allowed to have a subforum.


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Specifically i was referring to UCR's suggestion, which was to remove the current regulation but explicitly allow parties in the Charter. At best, this achieves nothing. At worst, it might actively encourage party formation whilst ensuring there are no regulations to keep them in check.

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Why is it worse? I still don’t understand this argument that things will worsen if, for some reasons, parties aren’t explicitly allowed to have a subforum.


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Specifically i was referring to UCR's suggestion, which was to remove the current regulation but explicitly allow parties in the Charter. At best, this achieves nothing. At worst, it might actively encourage party formation whilst ensuring there are no regulations to keep them in check. 

I do understand that my proposal is flawed, but I don't get how this would encourage party formation. The rest of the Political Parties Act is just about dedicated subforums, so I'm just transferring the part that allows political parties to the Charter. At most this would cause more "regular" political parties in comparison to "dedicated" ones.

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To be completely honest, I think half the point of the Political Parties Act was to kill political parties. It was a reactionary law borne from baseless claims that The Island League was corrupt or committing treason or whatever dumb political hit job was concocted back then, and taken too seriously, about the party's private third-party forum. I did my best to mitigate the heavy-handedness of the legislation, but ultimately the law stifled the development of political parties. It forced regulations upon existing parties that didn't fit how they organically functioned. Then it provided an easy means for any schmuck to start a "party" and get an official subforum that made it look like their "party" was actually serious and did things, thus making it deceptively attractive to newbies.

The Assembly shouldn't have regulated parties back then, so I favor repealing this law now. If someone wants to start a party, let them put in their own work and run their own party how they (and their friends) want. They don't need and shouldn't get space on our forums for what amounts to an organized club.

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Also, in my experience, discord is so much better for running a party so there's no great organizational reason to have a subforum in my opinion. There's no reason a party worth their salt would prefer to have a subforum over a discord. So if parties in the future probably won't need a subforum there's no point we give them the ability to get one. Seeing as how the debate has come to a lull, I move for a vote.

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I second it.


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20 July 2019 (A1907.02) Legislators, Please be advised that the vote to repeal the Political Parties Act has been opened. The vote has been designated in the Assembly's official record as A1907.02 and referred to in full as Repeal of the Political Parties Act. Legislators may cast their vote here. The vote will end on the 23rd of July, 2019, at 9:40 a.m. (UTC).

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REPEAL FAILED 23 July 2019 (A1907.02) Legislators, Please be advised that the vote to repeal the Political Parties Act has failed. The final tally is 17 in favour, 20 in opposition, with 11 abstaining, for a total of 48 votes. The vote failed with 45.9% voting in favour, failing to reach the requirement for a simple majority of those voting with the exclusion of abstentions. A spreadsheet of the vote breakdown is available here.

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