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**Somyrion** · 04-23-2020, 11:33 AM

I'm opposed as well for the reasons Belschaft and Seraph stated succinctly.

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Omega · 04-23-2020, 12:16 PM

Having slept on the issue here is where I stand:

I am opposed for two reasons: first, this would decrease the accountability of Ministers, and second, it would reduce political diversity in the cabinet. Let me start with the latter of those two. By allowing a PM to pick who they want in Cabinet the odds are they will select ministers who agree with their personal opinions on political matters and much debate will be lost. This, in turn, would mean we would end up with an overall reduction in regional diversity on political matters if a pipeline of Minister -> PM was created. Effectively, in order to ever be a Minister, you would have to hold the same ideology of whoever was the PM to establish the pipeline.

On my second point, I believe by having separate platforms, we as a region are better able to judge incumbents on their achievements while under the proposed system, the PM would be the only person we could ever hold to account in any meaningful way as an electorate.

For these reasons, I am opposed.

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Penguin · 04-23-2020, 04:41 PM

I am Strongly opposed to this for all reasons previously mentioned AND because we SPECIFICALLY changed our government to have Delegate separate from Forum activity. If we make this move, why even bother with electing a PM and just give the Delegate back the power. One person isn't supposed to have all the power in this region. That is why we are a Democracy.

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rosaferri · 04-23-2020, 07:33 PM

Here's where I personally stand:

While I understand the allure, it would ultimately require the PM to be more specialized in all different aspects of the region: their appointments would look to the PM for leadership on all ends of the ministry, and it would essentially centralize the burden of effect on the PM. If we centralize the burden on the PM, that can also be used to centralize the privileges of power on the PM. Any individual agenda the PM can run discretely can be given directly into their hands, whereas if all offices were elected you would have inherent opposition to any individual agenda.

This would make only the extremely well-rounded members of the region to even consider running and ultimately result in elections looking very, very samey. Newer members to government would be turned off from participating because the only way to realistically get strong experience in an appointed cabinet member system is to buddy up with a PM-elect. That takes away a lot of the autonomy and ability for newer members to become self-sufficient leaders in their own right, the way I see it.

Tl;dr: Elections of all offices diversify power, diversify specialties, and diversify members.

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Rabbitz · 04-24-2020, 06:55 PM

I oppose because of the reasons stated above.

The Delegate is just the head of the region with no real power, while the PM is usually an experienced person who can handle the government. If the Delegate held both powers, than we could have an upstart who could try to raze everything from the ground up without actually knowing what they're doing. We need to separate the powers to keep nations in check, rather than bottle them in one and hope things go well.

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Emperor Palpatine · 04-24-2020, 11:06 PM

I don't think it's a good idea. Yes, the Prime Minister could suggest candidates for the posts of Ministers and the assembly could consider it but he/she shouldn't be given full control over the appointment/removal of Ministers. The assembly should ensure that only the most competent person eligible should be appointed as a minister for a particular ministry. Also, the Ministers should be given autonomy over their work and should report all their projects and progresses directly to the assembly to be reviewed and sanctioned so that their is no unproductive projects at a given time.

rosaferri · 04-25-2020, 10:19 PM

(04-24-2020, 11:06 PM)Anshul Wrote: Also, the Ministers should be given autonomy over their work and should report all their projects and progresses directly to the assembly to be reviewed and sanctioned so that their is no unproductive projects at a given time.

This might be difficult to do, especially if the assembly has to approve projects. That'd put a lot of power into the assembly and make it harder for more stuff to be done by the ministries.

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Rabbitz · 04-26-2020, 02:02 PM

(04-25-2020, 10:19 PM)rosaferri Wrote:
(04-24-2020, 11:06 PM)Anshul Wrote: Also, the Ministers should be given autonomy over their work and should report all their projects and progresses directly to the assembly to be reviewed and sanctioned so that their is no unproductive projects at a given time.

This might be difficult to do, especially if the assembly has to approve projects. That'd put a lot of power into the assembly and make it harder for more stuff to be done by the ministries.

I agree. That would only increase inter-regional bureaucracy and heavily discourage people from doing anything in the Ministries. Let projects be managed by the Ministers or their subordinates within their Ministries.

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Daytime to Night · 04-26-2020, 05:07 PM

I think the democratic process increases the creativity of Ministers and also gives them the mandate to then push forward with their ideas, ambitions and reforms in a very positive way. I am not sure that the appointment of Ministers would quite achieve that in the same way.

South Asians is a perfect example of that, and someone who wouldn't have necessarily been an obvious candidate to a PM that wasn't involved in the Military on any level, but set out a great campaign and has hit the ground running.