I think a good thought experiment here is whether or not we'd be comfortable applying this to every other ministry-- why haven't you participated in FA/RA/etc. I see the importance of strengthening our military, especially as a defender region. But perhaps the scope could be limited to just those wanting to run for MoMA?

One thing I would worry about here is this basically becoming a de facto requirement, and the reasons for not participating in the military would never be good enough. I think it's fair to say I've had a somewhat significant impact on NS Gameplay, and by relation R/D, over the years despite never having actually done the mechanics of defending. I never had the schedule to be able to participate. Throughout college, I had class all day and worked when I wasn't in class or doing coursework. Then after college, I worked 10-12 days and staying up until 2am or whatever was never going to be in the cards. Moral of the story there is that it's possible to be worthy for the Cabinet, and even be relatively influential in NS Gameplay, without being in the military.

If we wanted to expand this beyond the military, I do think it's worth exploring some kind of service requirement. Not sure how we would quantify that and who would ultimately decide. I can also see a way a service requirement could be abused. The Cabinet could decide to freeze someone out of participating if they don't want them to be able to run for election in the next term, and come up with some plausible cover story for it.

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I think a good thought experiment here is whether or not we'd be comfortable applying this to every other ministry-- why haven't you participated in FA/RA/etc. I see the importance of strengthening our military, especially as a defender region. But perhaps the scope could be limited to just those wanting to run for MoMA?

One thing I would worry about here is this basically becoming a de facto requirement, and the reasons for not participating in the military would never be good enough. I think it's fair to say I've had a somewhat significant impact on NS Gameplay, and by relation R/D, over the years despite never having actually done the mechanics of defending. I never had the schedule to be able to participate. Throughout college, I had class all day and worked when I wasn't in class or doing coursework. Then after college, I worked 10-12 days and staying up until 2am or whatever was never going to be in the cards. Moral of the story there is that it's possible to be worthy for the Cabinet, and even be relatively influential in NS Gameplay, without being in the military.

If we wanted to expand this beyond the military, I do think it's worth exploring some kind of service requirement. Not sure how we would quantify that and who would ultimately decide. I can also see a way a service requirement could be abused. The Cabinet could decide to freeze someone out of participating if they don't want them to be able to run for election in the next term, and come up with some plausible cover story for it.

Cabinet could implement an executive-branch merit system? Possibly tie that in with some introductory university/civil service course?

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To be clear, I'm not in favor of a general service requirement.

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I'd probably argue that I'm proud of the fact the south pacific believes in allowing everyone who comes to be able to get involved in most aspects of the south pacific- from the military to the MoRA, the assembly to the CoA (after an election, of course) and from the FA to the Judiciary (in the form of amicus curiae briefs)

That being said, I do think that making it something "politicians have to answer for" is a good idea... for all of the Executive branch.

I'd love to have the MoRA and the MoFA be a more important part of the region, and while people may argue that the recent arguments about the MoRA split show that we do care about the MoRA, it hasn't really made anyone join - it's just been a subject of debate, mostly just talking about the structure and the laws (Note: the joins recently are probably more the drew people than this, considering how many of them aren't legislators).

If this law does pass, however, I do fear that new players will be far less incentivised to join the MoFA and the MoRA, instead opting for the military, which will just worsen the activity problems of the MoRA (not sure about the MoFA)

If the requirement is for all of the ministries, then not only will politicians have to be familiar with at least one branch of the executive (and it could be any!) but I also think that it would probably encourage more people to become politicians and run in elections. Instead of just being told "you can run in the election if you want" which I think is a bit intimidating for a new player, it would be "You need to get some experience first in the ministries" which would get them some experience and get them in contact with other people in TSP more regularly and only then would it be "you can run for a political position" at which point they would be more comfortable with the idea. Or, if they still aren't, then we get to keep them for their work, and I still argue that while the assembly should stay large, getting more newer players to focus on the executive rather than the legislature isn't a bad thing.(And, let's be honest, what kind of country has a parliament which is larger than the entire executive branch, including civil servants?)

Finally, I think whether or not someone should have "passed" this service should be up to some sort of committee... ?

TL;DR
Military Conscription: No.
Executive Conscription as a requirement to get a leadership role (not legislatorship): Sure!

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Executive Conscription as a requirement to get a leadership role (not legislatorship): Sure!

 

This looks more of a security measure to prevent another Wolf 2015 situation rather than anything to do with activity or defender. May support it for that reason only.

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Executive Conscription as a requirement to get a leadership role (not legislatorship): Sure!

 

This looks more of a security measure to prevent another Wolf 2015 situation rather than anything to do with activity or defender. May support it for that reason only.  

I'm assuming this has to do with someone who got elected to a leadership role and then couped, but can you elaborate? I haven't heard of this before

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Executive Conscription as a requirement to get a leadership role (not legislatorship): Sure!

 

This looks more of a security measure to prevent another Wolf 2015 situation rather than anything to do with activity or defender. May support it for that reason only.   

I'm assuming this has to do with someone who got elected to a leadership role and then couped, but can you elaborate? I haven't heard of this before 

Evil Wolf ran for MoFA in 2015 with no former experience in the ministry. Drama ensued, both due to his FA plans and his lack of involvement which painted him as an opportunist. Requiring experience before being able to run for any elected office is good at preventing this sort of things. Players who are influential NSGP politicians and migrate to here then instantly get involved in high offices is just bad, they are the worst kind of new members we should welcome, they should always be treated skeptically no matter their ideology.

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Executive Conscription as a requirement to get a leadership role (not legislatorship): Sure!

 

This looks more of a security measure to prevent another Wolf 2015 situation rather than anything to do with activity or defender. May support it for that reason only.    

I'm assuming this has to do with someone who got elected to a leadership role and then couped, but can you elaborate? I haven't heard of this before  

Evil Wolf ran for MoFA in 2015 with no former experience in the ministry. Drama ensued, both due to his FA plans and his lack of involvement which painted him as an opportunist. Requiring experience before being able to run for any elected office is good at preventing this sort of things. Players who are influential NSGP politicians and migrate to here then instantly get involved in high offices is just bad, they are the worst kind of new members we should welcome, they should always be treated skeptically no matter their ideology.

Ah. Then I think my proposal makes even more sense, however maybe with the change that you have to serve in the ministry you want to run for before you can run for it.

More general political positions, such as the PM, would require any one of the ministries.

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