| [DISCUSSION] A New Unified Discord Server |
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Results of the survey:
31 respondents. 48.4% wanted a fully unified server. 29% wanted the status quo. 22.6% wanted an executive server. Of people who had been in TSP for less than 7 months (6 respondents), five wanted a fully unified server, two wanted an executive server, none wanted the status quo. Two respondents were most active on the RMB preferred a fully unified server. Two respondents were most active on the forum - one wanted status quo, one wanted fully unified. Seven respondents were most active in a TSP Discord that isn't the main server - three preferred status quo and four preferred a fully unified server. For every server apart from main TSP and MoRA, there were people who were unaware that the servers existed, and in every server except main TSP there were at least three people who were in the server but had it muted or far enough down their server list to be functionally muted. Ten people were in ten or fewer servers. Eight of these people preferred a unified server, with two preferring status quo. In contrast, thirteen people were in over 20 servers, and only six of these wanted a fully unified server, with four preferring the status quo and three preferring an executive server. Reasons given for full unification: To make it easier to see which roles one person has and to make it more organized. But keep all the current committees, just regroup them into one server. Consistency. Ease. Simplicity and integration. Having everything spread across different places is confusing The status quo is a giant mess that's impossible for everyone but the most fully engaged TSPers to be on top of. I understand why we've gotten to the point we have, but it's frankly ridiculous now. An executive server might be a bit better, but my concern is that it still -- and perhaps to an even greater extent than having many different servers -- creates a division between "hanging out TSP" and "government TSP". Our govt. relies on volunteerism and being able to draw people in because they're just hanging around and have some time on their hands. With an executive server and a general chat server, people will segregate themselves into their self-perceived categories and never get involved in the "work" side of TSP... because that's handled by the "government" people in the "executive" server. See OP of thread in Operations Centre There are just too many servers to keep up to date with all of them It'd be more manageable to have all departments in one central location, and would avoid the general neglect certain servers receive. It will make it easier for everyone else to navigate. Management difficulty if that even exists is always tolerable to make sure navigation is as easy as possible for new members. You could make better use of categories, easier to moderate, people can hide what they're not interested in. However I think RP should be its own server as it has many different sectors and is different in a way. Because if there was one server, it would get crowded, and if there was one for everything, that is too many. I think it would be pretty funny to have like a million of roles in one server. I feel like it's easier to get to everything in once place. I would be concerned about a super long list of channels though, especially for people who are involved in lots of things. Reasons for an executive server: i like to keep things seprate but discord also has ways to organive built inside servers so this is a good option I think one total server would be too crowded, but one executive server could up activity while still not being as crowded. We discussed this in Cabinet I think a server for separate executive activity is a good idea, especially when you're part of multiple ministries. Though because of gov stuff versus general, i think they should have separate servers because they would be easier to manage separately. I wouldn't mind one server for all activities but then the server will have too many channels. The third channel just discourages me from joining all of the servers. One server for everything would be a huge mess. An executive server for the ministries would be much better. Reasons given for status quo: It’s easier and better and smarter and just as it should be. People can choose what servers they want to be in and it gives the ministers a bit of control over their space. I'm not interested in the explosion of channels that would result from a server merger, even if I wouldn't see most of them. One server with all TSP activities may seem really cluttered and confusing for new players. Yeet Tidiness, however, smaller, temporary events for just our region need not be separated into it's own server. I, personally, don't find anything wrong with TSP's current server structure. But if the server has a lot of channels, maybe then make a separate server. To be fair, I'm quite unsure either way.
Thanks for putting that together, Nakari. The results are not unanimous, but they certainly point towards a unified server.
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Hi there, fellow South Pacificans,
with the new ministries coming in at the end of the current election, we'll be moving forward with this during the Cabinet transition. The timing is perfect for this - during transition week, the old Cabinet can finish its term with the ministries operating out of the old servers, while we set everything up so that the incoming Cabinet can have a running start in its new shiny Discord-offices when transition concludes. In particular, I will be working very closely with Cabinet at that time to get everything set up with anything that's needed - roles, channels, bot commands, what have you. Here's a draft of what the structure would look like. This is based primarily on a list that Somy created a while back (many thanks!), plus some additional input and ideas from other places. The channels in the individual ministries are examples lifted from the old servers, and we'll work out the specifics with the incoming ministers during transition week (I suspect we'll have less channels there, particularly in the MoFA and MoD sections). All of this is up for discussion, of course - your input is appreciated! Total previous text channels (not counting archives): 114 Total unified text channels: 85 (23% reduction) A legislator not in any ministry would be able to see 18 channels (compared to 33 currently, a 43% reduction). LOBBYvisible to public
SPAM AND SPECIFICSvisible to public
EVENTSvisibility variable
CITIZENS’ COURTvisible to citizens
GOVERNMENT HALLSvisibility custom for each channel, hidden for most users
MINISTRY OF CULTUREvisible to MoC members
MINISTRY OF MEDIAvisible to MoM members
MINISTRY OF ENGAGEMENTvisible to MoE members
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRSvisible to MoFA members
MINISTRY OF DEFENSEvisible to SPSF members
OFFICE OF WA LEGISLATIONvisible to OWL staff
ADMINISTRATIONvisible to admin and moderation
ARCHIVESvisible to admin and moderation
We have about 2 weeks. I think we can solidify this in that time frame so that we have a really good setup. Of course, once it goes live, we can tweak the details as we go on.
Some ideas I have to consider:
I like the getting help channel. Depending on how sensitive it's expected to be, could always remove message history for it?
I think it would be nice to have an all-ministries lounge, might be a convenient place for ministries to collaborate. I believe we currently have quite a few archived channels still publicly visible - how would people feel about making them invisible?
Regarding the archives, I figured keep the public ones behind an opt-in mask, and the rest as they are. We're not close to the channel limit at this point, so we don't need to export and delete.
(10-04-2020, 05:47 AM)Nakari Wrote: I like the getting help channel. Depending on how sensitive it's expected to be, could always remove message history for it? A #Getting_Help channel sounds logical. #Government_Discussion would seem to fulfil the aim of an all-ministries lounge, no?
#government-discussion is more a channel for all citizens rather than an all-ministry channel. Though I'm not sure an all-ministry channel is needed, it seems chaotic and something that the Cabinet would coordinate, I'd think.
Honestly, embassy channels are rarely utilized. I’m not convinced we need them, rather than have a single “diplomacy row” channel or something.
To my understanding the OWL drafting and discussion channels are currently open to all citizens who are interested and join the server. Is it possible to keep #ga-discussion-drafting and #sc-discussion-drafting open to citizens who are interested?
Also, a much more minor note, but is it possible to move the Spam and Specifics category down a bit? I can't speak for others but I do feel as though there are several channels there that relatively specific sub-communities would be interested in, and that moving that category below Events and Citizens' Court would be helpful. To that end, I'm not sure I see the benefit in creating the Lampshade District "community" category. It's a lot of channels and only a few, mostly #lampshade-bar and #nationstates-discussion, would be ones that pretty much everyone would regularly use. Even if we combine the 'spam' channels my impression is that the average user will end up having a few channels that they rarely use. That said, I do like the idea of Seaport and Lampshade District categories — perhaps more along the lines of Seaport containing channels that are focused on new arrivals to the server (#welcome and #getting-help) so the average user could pretty much collapse that category and forget about it, and the Lampshade District could have #announcements, #lampshade-bar, etc. — channels that I think pretty much everybody on the Discord would regularly access. |
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