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RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - ProfessorHenn - 01-01-2015
Motion to vote.
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Punchwood - 01-01-2015
(01-01-2015, 06:17 PM)Henn Wrote: Motion to vote.
Second.
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - God-Emperor - 01-01-2015
That took all of two hours...Good job, guys.
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Belschaft - 01-01-2015
Any chance we can get an addition to section one dealing with constitutional successor governments?
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Tsunamy - 01-01-2015
(01-01-2015, 06:51 PM)Belschaft Wrote: Any chance we can get an addition to section one dealing with constitutional successor governments?
My assumption was that any legal, successor government would be included in the first part of section one. But, I'll defer to Raven here.
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Lord Ravenclaw - 01-02-2015
I had originally suggested such a clause, mindful of what happened between Osiris-TSP, Osiris-TNP, Osiris-Equilism when their Government was dissolved in October 2013. In this case however, we agreed that in the event the Coalition is dissolved, then TNP and TSP would need to meet and discuss the treaty. r3n was concerned that such a clause could tie TNP into supporting a regime which had managed to seize power in the region and had dissolved the Coalition and vice versa for TSP. It was not a concern I'd thought of before I told that it was possible for the clause to be abused in such a manner.
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Kris Kringle - 01-02-2015
I would certainly hope that our alies wouldn't just recognise any group that "dissolved" the Coalition, right?
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Lord Ravenclaw - 01-02-2015
It was felt that such a clause could be abused too easily and that mandating each side to recognise successor governments could end badly. As it stands the treaty is fine as it is in my opinion. I'm not going to talk about "what ifs", as this is very much a likely non issue.
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Tsunamy - 01-02-2015
(01-02-2015, 09:40 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: I would certainly hope that our alies wouldn't just recognise any group that "dissolved" the Coalition, right?
If I'm reading everything correctly, the concern is that they wouldn't want to, but depending on how the phrasing is written (and how our laws are written/change) they might be legally bound to. Hence why the clause wasn't included.
Correct?
RE: The Aurora Alliance, TNP-TSP Treaty Amendment. - Kris Kringle - 01-02-2015
My point is, any group that took control of the region would never be a legal successor to the Coalition, unless that happened following our legal and constitutional mechanisms.