(02-07-2017, 05:15 PM)Belschaft Wrote:

(02-07-2017, 04:52 PM)Zak6858 Wrote:

(02-07-2017, 03:21 PM)Belschaft Wrote: And there's nothing wrong with a group of people with the same views arguing them together in the Assembly Ryccia; that's the way the system is meant to work.

But if you get people meeting in secret to decide the result before the debate has even occurred, then it's subverting the process - especially if they're deciding the result on the basis of political horsetrading. There is no point in having an Assembly, or in having debates, if the TIL and APC leadership are going to meet in private and come to their own secret agreements about the issues.

You know all about secrecy don't you Bel?

I dunno, but I do know that if I had cooked up a scheme like this one Glen would be accusing me of treason most likely. If something is bad when I do it, it has to be bad when other people do it too.

I'm not entirely sure if this is even at a magnitude close to what you're suggesting. They did a stupid thing, yes, but they've met in secret like a billion times before. This is what parties do in real life. Some thing need to happen behind the scenes for the sake of speed. We really don't need to base this whole discussion on what Glen has and might have done. No one has spoken of Griff but it seems you're at Glen again (you too Glen, stop going off at Bel). We could get somewhere in a discussion for once if you two grew up.