(02-08-2017, 05:27 PM)Drugged Monkeys Wrote:

(02-08-2017, 09:07 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: Lets just be real here for once.

You do not need to see a campaign to know that you support or oppose people. Not one of you condemning the agreement can sit there and say you have no opinion on others until you see a platform. We have literally elected people without platforms. Your own platform, DM, is "I don't have anything specific to say", leaving us all to use our own judgement of your character and capability to be our government's leader. (And if we want to discuss this even closer to reality, we can talk about how 90% of campaign promises never even come to fruition!)

That's a criticism that isn't founded in reality. Everybody here knows Roavin and they know that he's probably the most capable, reasonable, and responsible person in the region. It shouldn't be a surprise that many would be willing to support him on that alone.


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I don't argue this, I just question if we would like it to continue this way.
I understand that part of the reason we vote for candidates is based on their merit as an individual, but it is also based on their platform, even if the two don't weigh the same.

And we certainly shouldn't perpetuate that idea with Political Party deals like this.

DM, weren't you trying to put a party together at some point? What happened? I assume that you selected a group of people you either liked or were friends with and discussed it\proposed it to them in private. Maybe are still discussing it, putting together some sort of platform.

For so much of TSP history people have been doing that - meeting with friends in private IRC rooms\etc and making plans, cutting deals - deciding who to vote for and who to support and who to exlude and who to target.

I still don't think the party deal was wrong in itself. In fact, what I think the old guard seems to be upset about is that APC is transparent enough to be honest about it. Maybe they should have kept it all hidden and in the dark like the olden days?

I could and still can tell you, before the parties even existed, which players in the region are aligned and will vote which way. Unsurprisingly, I think anyone with an iota of sense and observation skills would be able to do the same.

It used to be the old guard were calling the shots, now it seems like anyone who can organize and create an appealing platform has a chance. Oh yeah the old guard also had an issue with players who used PMs to campaign...if they weren't on the same side. The issue about parties also seems to be about access.

My real questions to all the people with issues here are:
1. When in the past have you ever spoken out against politicking or actively done something about the backdoor politics situation? Especially when it comes to the disadvantages that newer player have?
2. When you have voted for a candidate that you aren't either friends with WHEN one of your own close friends was running or you didn't have some sort of political bartering involved?
3. Have you ever benefitted from someone voting for you simply because they were your friend and they couldn't care one iota less what your platform or merits were or even if there were any other warm bodies running?