(02-13-2017, 01:35 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: It's not very helpful to be purposefully provocative. I'm not sure what it's supposed to "draw attention" to, aside from very anti-democratic ideas flowing about in certain quarters. Let's not forget that it was seriously proposed that offsite party forums be banned and TSPers using them be banned as well. If you were trying to be provocative but not serious, Tsu, it really says something that people are taking you seriously. If you think advocates of parties are being unreasonable, consider that we think you're being dangerously retributive when you say "let's ban parties from endorsing or setting their own rules."

Who's taking me seriously beside you — who has decided to take barely anything else I've been saying seriously?

The fact remains that — (a) we don't know who these parties work and (b) this cross endorsement scheme tied up a good deal of the vote. You've refused to even acknowledge that these seems shady — which is part for the course of how you've addressed this situation.

Saying "people have always done it" and "it's undemocratic" doesn't change the fact of what I'm questioning.
Is this how we want our parties to work? That, essentially, they're going to be oligarchies within a democratic process? If so, own that.

(02-13-2017, 04:55 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: TIL isn't dumb, and neither are APC. We're not going to endorse before seeing campaigns anymore, if official cross-party endorsements happen at all now. Inter-party cooperation is apparently no longer worth it, since it brings the wrath of the heavens down upon us for "stacking" elections. Congrats, you've successfully chilled speech.

This is good to hear. I anticipate one day in the future we'll have enough parties to encourage cooperation which doesn't limit the democratic process.

I'm going to go be reasonable somewhere else now.