(02-13-2017, 07:04 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I'd point out that the constitutional crisis of 2016 was, if anything, the end result of factionalism, not the cause of it. At the Great Council we all agreed that it was part of the problem and that we had to work to reduce it.

The coup. Let's call it what it is.

And the problem is there wasn't a genuine effort to reduce it, only to hide it under the banner of unity and avoiding drama.

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I have two things to say:

1. If the goal is to be on reasonable terms with parties and their members, the kind of criticism displayed in this thread (to the point of calling some people "treasonous") is a very bad idea.

2. I'm still not sure what the goal here is. Is there a bill someone wants to submit? Is there a resolution someone wants to draft? Or are we just going to go in circles, fully aware that neither side has any intention of submitting?