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TAC, most of the RMBers want to play and I find it very arrogant. The fact is that most people who are active in the forums aren't nearly as active as they are on the forums.
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Do you have anything to support that? Because according to the polls, less than half of them are interested in the government. Subtract the votes from those of us that peruse the forums on a daily basis and you get your answer.
Just want to say I can go with almost anything suggested here, but in the "take baby steps" theme here, I think We should create ONE Minister position at this point, let the nominations and elections be held on the RMB and see where it goes. As a Cabinet Minister, they would have the ability to appoint as many deputies as they see fit, similar to the MoRA in does in the forum. Again, my personal feeling is the only way this prospers is of the RMB crowd makes their own world and not be forced to live in a world we dictate.
This may explode in participation. No one may show up. We won't know until we try. Still think it's a blank territory that needs to evolve and be developed, not one that that is built by a developer then put on the market to be sold.
(01-16-2015, 04:57 PM)QuietDad Wrote: Just want to say I can go with almost anything suggested here, but in the "take baby steps" theme here, I think We should create ONE Minister position at this point, let the nominations and elections be held on the RMB and see where it goes. As a Cabinet Minister, they would have the ability to appoint as many deputies as they see fit, similar to the MoRA in does in the forum. Again, my personal feeling is the only way this prospers is of the RMB crowd makes their own world and not be forced to live in a world we dictate. That^
I like the idea of a Cabinet-level minister for the game-side community. There are many things to question about it, though. Will they have full jurisdiction like other Cabinet members? (Meaning, are they able to vote on issues that aren't really about the RMB community?) How will they be elected? Who may qualify (do they have to be citizens)? I wouldn't want to just open up a senior-level Cabinet position without having people running for that office go through the same security checks everybody else has to go through, if they'll actually have access to classified information and things like that.
(01-16-2015, 03:15 PM)Ditortilla Wrote:(01-16-2015, 03:00 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: Acknowledging that there are two distinct communities, and recognizing that those communities can co-exist peacefully and do their own things and do not need to be forced into one, is not a "seriously negative, marginal attitude" towards those who aren't part of the forum community. That's the issue--- you guys keep thinking that when I say the communities are distinct, I'm saying I want them to be segregated. I want more people to join the forum community, and I want the game-side community to not be forced to change into just a more decentralized version of what we do here.
(01-16-2015, 04:05 PM)Belschaft Wrote: How about resurrecting the old Minister of the Region title? Honestly, from some of the old-old threads I saw, that was ultimately the MoR's supposed role. In either case, I think it's a fine title to use. (01-16-2015, 05:12 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: I like the idea of a Cabinet-level minister for the game-side community. There are many things to question about it, though. Will they have full jurisdiction like other Cabinet members? (Meaning, are they able to vote on issues that aren't really about the RMB community?) How will they be elected? Who may qualify (do they have to be citizens)? I wouldn't want to just open up a senior-level Cabinet position without having people running for that office go through the same security checks everybody else has to go through, if they'll actually have access to classified information and things like that. Honestly, as much as I've been tarred as the person not concerned about security here, offering a senior level Cabinet member elected at large does concern me. Unlike my previous suggestions which provided some backstop in case things go awry, this system could easily be manipulated. Can I suggest one of the two options: Three RMB-elected liaison (as I've been pushing for) and if we want to give them more power, give them several votes in the Assembly. Say ... 3 a piece, for a working number. Or Restrict the election to WA, natives? This isn't ideal, but elections are more serious and I don't think we have the ability to safely hold them on the RMB. (Hence why it wasn't in my original proposal.) Let's also be clear, this would in no way prohibit any nations from getting involved in the process (they can still come to the offsite), but is a step in the right direction.
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I don't think that regional liaisons with votes in the assembly makes sense, as at that point they're just citizens with extra votes.
How about a combination of the MoR and granting WA influential nations votes on certain bills? Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
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(01-16-2015, 06:01 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I don't think that regional liaisons with votes in the assembly makes sense, as at that point they're just citizens with extra votes. The idea was that since they would be speaking on because of the RMB nations (and elected by them) hence the additional votes. But the WA votes on certain bills sounds interesting. How do you envision that working?
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Instead of bicameral systems, maintain the unicameral nature of the Assembly but incorporate regional votes via poll (WA, Native, Influential - anything else can be acquired in 12 hours). Add up the regional votes and the forum votes to get your result. Use the exact same poll set up to elect the MoR.
I'd suggest limiting it to certain types of bills, possibly Charter amendments, declarations of war and treaties. They are the most serious types, and we are less likely to have multiple at vote at the same time. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
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(01-16-2015, 06:31 PM)Belschaft Wrote: Instead of bicameral systems, maintain the unicameral nature of the Assembly but incorporate regional votes via poll (WA, Native, Influential - anything else can be acquired in 12 hours). Add up the regional votes and the forum votes to get your result. Use the exact same poll set up to elect the MoR. Could people have two votes? Or would we exclude nations who vote offsite from the RMB vote? I like this idea combined with the MoR. Edit: What if we made it 24 hours instead of 12? I think one day would be fine, if notified properly. However, I think the election should run for three. That shouldn't be a problem.
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