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There was a motion and a second here http://thesouthpacific.x10.mx/thread-190...l#pid50214. I don't see any reference to exactly what was motioned to vote. It was asked and never answered.
That is what worries me. It was also the only motion and second I found, but no specific reform or even text were mentioned. If so the vote should be invalid. Unless I am missing something and it was a different thread?
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Yeah, I completely missed that vote. Not that anyone knew what they were voting on...
Yes yes no doubt Unibot tricked us, that's politics.
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Uhh, I don't think "that's politics" is a good justification.
(03-15-2015, 01:04 PM)Punchwood Wrote: Yes yes no doubt Unibot tricked us, that's politics. Uh...I suggest we actually give the Chair the benefit of the doubt, and wait until we explains what happened. I want to think there was a confusion that can be easily fixed or otherwise clarified. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System (03-15-2015, 12:23 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: That is what worries me. It was also the only motion and second I found, but no specific reform or even text were mentioned. If so the vote should be invalid. Unless I am missing something and it was a different thread? The specific text was provided here: http://thesouthpacific.x10.mx/thread-190...l#pid49540 In the report there were a number of different proposals provided, this was the one that was pursued further.
Of course, that motion to vote when no one even had even discussed which system to use. A shining beacon of democracy.
I think posts subsequent to the motion and second clearly show that citizens did not even know which reform proposal had been motioned. While I think this was legal, it certainly was irresponsible to let bring the bill to a vote without responding to those concerns and confusions.
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System (03-15-2015, 01:46 PM)Farengeto Wrote: Of course, that motion to vote when no one even had even discussed which system to use. A shining beacon of democracy. Well, actually, the commission had discussed it for about two months. So I figured a lot of people were just trusting our judgement. Especially when the reform we implemented was pretty moderate - it's just harmonizing delegate and cabinet voting procedure under an instant runoff -esque system. I suspect people had thought that electoral reform would be followed by a hoopla of a debate as if it was a constitutional debate; in reality, electoral reform is a matter of general law (50+1%) and I think the time and discussion spent on it was similar to what you see other such debates, especially when there are expects on the subject offering their proposals. If people want FPTP to be treated as the golden goose that can't be removed without pissing on the black and blue, then it should be in the constitution - until recently, FPTP wasn't even ingrained in law; people had just done it instinctively without a legal mandate. I urge voters to read proposals before they vote on something. |
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