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Ministries: Internal Affairs, External Affairs and News And Media. Internal and External Affairs are just Ministry Of The Region and Ministry Of Foreign Affairs. The Director Governor and Deputy Governor are just Delegate and Vice Delegate. The only real difference is ya get to be two outta those four.
The Third Imperium
Journalist, South Pacific Independent News Network (SPINN) Provost, Magisterium Sergeant, East Pacific Sovereign Army Journalist, East Pacific News Service Foreign Affairs Minister, The West Pacific
(05-02-2014, 05:15 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: Ministries: Internal Affairs, External Affairs and News And Media. Internal and External Affairs are just Ministry Of The Region and Ministry Of Foreign Affairs. The Director Governor and Deputy Governor are just Delegate and Vice Delegate. The only real difference is ya get to be two outta those four. Wrong. Internal Affairs deals with the internal affairs of the party, not the region. External affairs deals with other political parties in the south pacific and the south pacific itself, it is not a replacement for the regional MoFA, it is the PARTY'S External Affairs. Director Governor and Deputy Governor govern the PARTY, not the REGION. These are all PARTY positions, not GOVERNMENTAL positions.
I'm assumin' that, ideally, every member of the region become a member of the party. If that ever happened, which it won't, the Director Governor and Deputy Governor would effectively become a replacement for the delegate and vice delegate, aside from the lack of regional controls. Similarly, Internal Affairs would replace Regional Affairs, and I doubt External Affairs would just cease to exist.
The Third Imperium
Journalist, South Pacific Independent News Network (SPINN) Provost, Magisterium Sergeant, East Pacific Sovereign Army Journalist, East Pacific News Service Foreign Affairs Minister, The West Pacific
(05-02-2014, 04:12 PM)Ryccia Wrote: TSPLCP opposes this and seeks this party to be dissolved. If I reach at least 20 signatures for the party's dissolution, the party will be dissolved. There's a thing called freedom of speech, Ryccia. We are a democratic region, and just because some people dislike someone else's ideas, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be having those ideas in the first place. People respect your party, you should respect the parties of others. (05-02-2014, 04:39 PM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: 1. By abolishing the delegate position I am not saying we have to remove the in game delegate. We should abolish the position of delegate as the ultimate head of the South Pacific, which the job description at the moment entails. The in game delegate should be the Minister of Army, who would be elected and who's only duty would be to follow the command of the people and serve as a bulwark against raiders/coupers. 1. Should I point out that the Delegate is not the ultimate head of the South Pacific? The Delegate is the Head of State, but the ultimate head of the region is the region itself, as represented by its Assembly. We are a direct democracy. 2. If you are a citizen then you can make laws. That is as directly democratic as you get without losing efficiency in the government. You say that the people should do the duties of minister. I ask, so our current ministers are not part of the people? (05-02-2014, 04:39 PM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: It is of course, but why not take that democracy further? Why not become a benchmark of democracy for the NationStates community, an example of the greatness of democracy? This is what the party aims to achieve. This is what I am to achieve. What exactly do you envision by "take that democracy further", "become a benchmark of democracy" "example of the greatness of democracy"? I don't say this to mock you. I'm genuinely confused because you talk about giving power to the people, but that is an extremely generic response. What concrete actions does your party propose, and what sets you aside from others that have said the same in the past? (05-02-2014, 07:18 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: I'm assumin' that, ideally, every member of the region become a member of the party. If that ever happened, which it won't, the Director Governor and Deputy Governor would effectively become a replacement for the delegate and vice delegate, aside from the lack of regional controls. Similarly, Internal Affairs would replace Regional Affairs, and I doubt External Affairs would just cease to exist. I agree with that. In the end you can't function without a government, not in a region this big. You can reform the government, change the structure, etc. But you can't just say you will abolish ministries and let the people do it themselves, because that isn't at all specific. Aren't the people governing through the Assembly? Isn't our Assembly one of the most accesible (in terms of membership requirements) legislatures in the GCR community? Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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I will be moving that the party must change it names to the Communitarian Unity Party for Partisan Particular Party Affairs, CUPPPA, to symbolise the important part that community tea-drinking sessions play in forming communities.
(05-02-2014, 07:18 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: I'm assumin' that, ideally, every member of the region become a member of the party. If that ever happened, which it won't, the Director Governor and Deputy Governor would effectively become a replacement for the delegate and vice delegate, aside from the lack of regional controls. Similarly, Internal Affairs would replace Regional Affairs, and I doubt External Affairs would just cease to exist. Nope. Not everyone has to be a member. No one has to be a member. We want democracy, not conscription. That's like saying that if the Republican party wins the US 2016 presidential elections, everyone in the US has to become a member of the Republican party. The Communist Alliance is a means to an end, it is not the end. (05-02-2014, 07:48 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: 1. Should I point out that the Delegate is not the ultimate head of the South Pacific? The Delegate is the Head of State, but the ultimate head of the region is the region itself, as represented by its Assembly. We are a direct democracy. Regarding the delegate ultimate head thing, sorry about that, that was bad phrasing. I meant to refer to the delegate as head of state, but couldn't find the right words. The Free Dictionary defines direct democracy as: "A democracy in which the power to govern lies directly in the hands of the people rather than being exercised through their representatives." Ministers essentially act as representation, at least in the sense that they act for the people in their subject area. The people don't act directly in it, but elect a Minister to do the acting for them. (05-02-2014, 07:48 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: 2. If you are a citizen then you can make laws. That is as directly democratic as you get without losing efficiency in the government. You say that the people should do the duties of minister. I ask, so our current ministers are not part of the people? They are people, of course they are. If they wanted, they could easily join a committee in the proposed government. Committees could essentially act out the duties of the minister but with an increased democratic aspect. I'm not advocating for a free-for-all do whatever the hell you want anarchy, I'm advocating for a government run by the people directly for the people. There's a big difference. (05-02-2014, 07:48 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote:(05-02-2014, 04:39 PM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: It is of course, but why not take that democracy further? Why not become a benchmark of democracy for the NationStates community, an example of the greatness of democracy? This is what the party aims to achieve. This is what I am to achieve. I actually have an idea of how to get it done, which I have outlined a few times. (05-02-2014, 07:48 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote:(05-02-2014, 07:18 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: I'm assumin' that, ideally, every member of the region become a member of the party. If that ever happened, which it won't, the Director Governor and Deputy Governor would effectively become a replacement for the delegate and vice delegate, aside from the lack of regional controls. Similarly, Internal Affairs would replace Regional Affairs, and I doubt External Affairs would just cease to exist. Once again, I'm not advocating for the abolition of government. I'm advocating for the abolition of Ministers. See above. As for the assembly, I wouldn't change it. It's working really well right now. All I'm advocating for is expansion for the power of the citizen in regards to political positions.
(05-02-2014, 08:20 PM)Lord Ravenclaw Wrote: I will be moving that the party must change it names to the Communitarian Unity Party for Partisan Particular Party Affairs, CUPPPA, to symbolise the important part that community tea-drinking sessions play in forming communities. I only second this motion if you become a member. Join the communist party and drink some tea!
As a monarchist, and head of a noble house, I cannot join a party that would cause me significant financial issues.
(05-02-2014, 08:21 PM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: Nope. Not everyone has to be a member. No one has to be a member. We want democracy, not conscription. And yet you said in your platform that everyone should get conscripted for the NSA. (05-02-2014, 08:21 PM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: Regarding the delegate ultimate head thing, sorry about that, that was bad phrasing. I meant to refer to the delegate as head of state, but couldn't find the right words. Ministers execute the laws that are directly made by the people, and are constantly subject to their examination. Besides, Ministers are not supposed to manage ministries all by themselves. They are supposed to lead ministries, which are composed of the people. So your idea of replacing ministries with committees is just replacing ministries with ministries. (05-02-2014, 08:21 PM)TheUnitedSolarRepublic Wrote: Once again, I'm not advocating for the abolition of government. I'm advocating for the abolition of Ministers. See above. 1. You are advocating for the abolition of ministers to replace them with committees. How will that improve governance in the region? 2. I'm not too fond of the Assembly right now, so I'll disagree with the idea that it's working really well right now. But that's another matter. 3. "expansion for the power of the citizen in regards to political positions". The sounds nice, but again. What exactly are you proposing? We have a (legally) very open government. What else would you go besides creating committees? Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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