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Punchwood · 02-03-2016, 06:33 PM

Wolf I'm sorry but your logic makes no sense. By your logic I could go out and kill David Cameron and in Court say "I though it was the best thing for the country" and by your logic I would be given a full pardon.

I do not want these nations to leave TSP forever however they can not receive no punishment, Justice must be served. The Delegate ban 5 nations to my knowledge and ejected 4. The Cabinet willingly coup the region, you can not justify these actions they must face Justice.

I think ALL Cabinet members should face some kind of punishment. Those who left the Cabinet before the end of the coup I think should be banned from running in elections for around 6 months. The others should either face trail or face the same punishment but for longer like 12 months.

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**Belschaft** · 02-03-2016, 06:37 PM

It may have looked like that at your end Glen, but as in all these things there is another side to the story. It should also be pointed out that Hile wasn't the one who broke off the last set of negotiations; he went to bed thinking he had an agreement with Kris, and woke up to find the whole thing in ruins.

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~~Wolf~~ · 02-03-2016, 06:47 PM

(02-03-2016, 06:33 PM)Punchwood Wrote: Wolf I'm sorry but your logic makes no sense. By your logic I could go out and kill David Cameron and in Court say "I though it was the best thing for the country" and by your logic I would be given a full pardon.

You're not even close to making a sensible comparison. You're comparing apples to oranges, for sure. Or maybe even apples to hubcaps.

This situation was more akin to David Cameron, his entire Cabinet, and half the Ministers barricading themselves in the Houses of Parliament and flipping people the bird out of Westminster's windows for a few days before opening the doors and letting everyone back in.

What Unibot is advocating for, using this analogy, is harsh penalties that would be more appropriate if the rogue government had burned Westminster to the ground and slapped around the Queen a bit.

This coup was largely politically motivated, short, and civil. Stop acting like it was some kind of blood soaked war.

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Siberian · 02-03-2016, 06:49 PM

(02-03-2016, 06:33 PM)Punchwood Wrote: By your logic I could go out and kill David Cameron and in Court say "I though it was the best thing for the country" and by your logic I would be given a full pardon.

I was trying to refrain from saying anything on these threads due to my involvement in the coup and my obvious conflict of interest regarding these things, but this is just a bit much.
There's a difference between literally murdering someone and ending them of their life and banning a couple people in a browser game. This is closer to a government shutdown than anything. My lord.

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**Belschaft** · 02-03-2016, 06:56 PM

I think the best comparison would be Obama and the Democratic members of congress setting up shop in the United States Capitol for a few days and not letting any of the Republicans in.

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The Maddest of Jacks · 02-03-2016, 06:57 PM

(02-03-2016, 06:33 PM)Punchwood Wrote: Wolf I'm sorry but your logic makes no sense. By your logic I could go out and kill David Cameron and in Court say "I though it was the best thing for the country" and by your logic I would be given a full pardon.

This is quite literally the worst comparison since the raiding = rape shit.

You don't seem to understand that putting all your (former) enemies to the sword and banning them from the region and wiping their names from history won't help your community. It might make you feel good, but it would further damage your community and further factionalise the region.

Sometimes, it is better to forgive, than it is to punish. Perhaps you should learn that...

rhinotaz · 02-03-2016, 07:29 PM

(02-03-2016, 06:47 PM)Wolf Wrote: David Cameron, his entire Cabinet, and half the Ministers barricading themselves in the Houses of Parliament and flipping people the bird out of Westminster's windows for a few days before opening the doors and letting everyone back in.

Great. Now I can't stop laughing.

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~~Cormac~~ · 02-03-2016, 07:37 PM

Anyone notice that folks who usually don't get along were getting along quite well, until Unibot decided to come along and stick his nose where it doesn't belong? And now people are arguing about things that shouldn't be taking priority over reconciliation and rebuilding. Because of Unibot's incendiary (and clearly ideologically motivated) words.

Just an observation.

***Tsunamy*** · 02-03-2016, 08:02 PM

Two things. First, I too have serious questions about the way Hile went about all of this. I went to bed Saturday thinking we had a compromise only to find out we didn't when Kris, Glen and Far were ejected. I understand I technically broke Kris' agreement first (mainly because I didn't know there was one), but that doesn't Hile was acting in good faith.

Second, I'd like to remind everyone that this is game. I know it's easy to take it seriously, but we're not killing prime ministers here. Let's keep that in mind.

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~~Unibot~~ · 02-03-2016, 08:18 PM

(02-03-2016, 07:37 PM)Cormac Wrote: Anyone notice that folks who usually don't get along were getting along quite well, until Unibot decided to come along and stick his nose where it doesn't belong? And now people are arguing about things that shouldn't be taking priority over reconciliation and rebuilding. Because of Unibot's incendiary (and clearly ideologically motivated) words.

Just an observation.

First, an observation: you and several others here have a conflict of interests on the discussion of whether to deliver a full pardon.

Second:

I don't believe the mere suggestion of not providing a full pardon is in and of itself "incendiary" - granted, it's a step below singing kumbaya - but no, it's not "incendiary" - it's the law. People committed what allegedly was a crime, thus people should be tried for said crimes.

We have a criminal justice system and it, not a wild wild west political process, is what should be used to resolve community offenses. If it's not what we think should be used to determine guilt and sentencing then TSP should replace its criminal justice system and find something other than the rule of law as the basis for its society. We implemented the Parole Board with the explicit purpose of avoiding the old helter-skelter approach to clemency (e.g., ex-cons previously were given pardons on an inconsistent basis, depending on their ability to generate sympathy from the Assembly.)

Moreover, there's tons of things in my initial post and basically the only thing people are discussing is whether to grant pardons or not.

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