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#71

(03-05-2016, 06:17 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: The Crisis is a magazine.

Stop your coup denialism.

I will once you stop denying that you helped cause The Crisis and you are not at all blameless.
#72

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#73

(03-05-2016, 06:26 PM)Wolf Wrote:
(03-05-2016, 06:17 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: The Crisis is a magazine.

Stop your coup denialism.

I will once you stop denying that you helped cause The Crisis and you are not at all blameless.
You're really not helping right now.
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#74

(03-05-2016, 06:42 PM)Zak6858 Wrote:
(03-05-2016, 06:26 PM)Wolf Wrote: I will once you stop denying that you helped cause The Crisis and you are not at all blameless.
You're really not helping right now.

You know what's not helping? Glen trying to politicize this for personal gain. The region was brought nearly to the brink of what could have been a worse civil war than Osiris and his solution seems to be "Hey let's ban everyone who opposed me."

That isn't helping.
#75

Perhaps reread for better comprehension. A purge is *a* solution, and it's the one used most often in NS coup history. If you want a united community that has no intractable differences, you need to be strict about who gets to be in that community. Letting people with intractable differences be here, but refusing to acknowledge the intractability and instead pretending like everybody can get along if only we tweak some laws, isn't a solution.

If you don't want to be strict in who can be here, then you have to embrace division and disunity where it exists.


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#76

(03-05-2016, 07:04 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: A purge is *a* solution

The fact that you think it's a solution at all proves you learned nothing from The Crisis.

Your proposed purge will bring peace alright, peace via suppression and iron fisted rule. In that sense, how is your idea any different than what happened when you, Kris, and Far were banned by the Cabinet? How are you any different than those you claim to be better than?
#77

(03-05-2016, 07:08 PM)Wolf Wrote:
(03-05-2016, 07:04 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: A purge is *a* solution

The fact that you think it's a solution at all proves you learned nothing from The Crisis.

Your proposed purge will bring peace alright, peace via suppression and iron fisted rule. In that sense, how is your idea any different than what happened when you, Kris, and Far were banned by the Cabinet? How are you any different than those you claim to be better than?

Wolf, I don't think GR is suggesting a purge. I think he's simply pointing out that it could create harmony. Just as -- I can point out that a coup is good for regional activity -- without advocating for a coup.
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#78

Can we just leave it at "several factors led to serious problems, with various people to blame to varying degrees"? A lot of people have issues with other citizens for reasons of varying legitimacy, but going round and around those issues in public isn't helpful at this point. Everyone seems to know what they think, and what those that disagree with them think. I haven't seen anyone shift position significantly in quite some time. In my view, what is important moving forward into the Great Council is to address the structural factors that contributed, with all parties bearing in mind what is important to those that disagree with them over recent events, and then make a fresh start under whatever new system we come up with.
#79

No. Some coup'd, and that's more severe than any of their excuses for doing it, no matter how much some of you want to rewrite history.


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#80

I'm not entirely sure why you keep trying to justify and diminish the severity of couping the region. It is a very serious crime and should be acknowledged as such, in no small part because nobody should ever feel entitled to overthrow the government. If there are problems in our government, they must be addressed exactly how we are planning to address them in a few days. The very fact that we are going to enact legal changes through an orderly convention should be proof enough that nothing justified this coup.

Reconciliation means coming to terms with what happened. A coup happened.
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