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Trust can't be rebuilt if somebody has no interest in doing so. When the complaints about me are about my "personality" or my stance on TNI, then we could remove every admin ability save the red lettering and those people will still be complaining that they don't "trust" me.
QD, maskings have already been changed. We've already changed how citizenship is done. All of that's been done already. The goalposts simply keep shifting, now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
(03-27-2016, 11:36 AM)QuietDad Wrote: Just stop using your admin powers to influence the game. If you see something that isn't public, don't say anything or figure out a way to make it pubic that doesn't start with "I saw in a secret area.....". Give the appropriate people moderation flags over their respective areas and remove/refrain the admins and if someone wants a new subforum to try something, let them have it. Is this a general "you" or a personal "you"? Because I don't interject myself into debates from "secret areas."
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None of have ever "interjected" ourselves, actually. The last time an admin posted in a forum they wouldn't otherwise have had access to was on IP.Board, and Belschaft decided to offer his opinion on a Cabinet discussion in the SitRoom. His opinion back then was that admins were always welcome to offer their input, and afterwards admins still remained able to see the Cabinet forum.
There was one instance where I used my knowledge of behind-closed-doors threads, and that was when the entire judicial bench was committing misconduct and trying to hide it. They ran afoul of the appeals process, having the justice who wrote an opinion then be the Justice to hear the appeal. So I used my judgement and made that-- not the actual thread-- public. After a lot of internal debate and discussion with Kris. (I don't remember if I ever talked to Tsu prior.) Afterwards, there was a huge debate about that action, and it was settled. Some people didn't like the outcome. That's fine, but it's not like this is new information that we're just now reacting. So it's not a black and white case of admin misconduct. I saw posts I wouldn't otherwise have seen, posts that showed clear violations of the law that otherwise would never have been brought to light. The players who knowingly committed judicial misconduct would have run in the next election, and the region wouldn't have been any the wiser. That's why I argued it was not an instance where I should have been beheaded and posted at the gates. It's not as if I saw something and then used it to win an election or manipulate a vote. That's the only instance of actual misconduct that has occurred, here. The other complaints are just baseless. People at still saying we "protected" Kris, which isn't true. Belschaft is still saying we illegally blocked him from posting-- that is untrue. This whole debate goes nowhere because we can't agree on facts. We have completely different realities, apparently. What happened with citizenship was an actual issue that needed to be remedied, and we've done that! We have the roster, and we've come up with a way for the VD to do everything themselves. We're currently looking at ways to make that process even easier. (I have been looking into scripted solutions.) That's an example of where this debate should be going. What are issues with how things work, and what solutions are there? Some want to make this about me and my personality, or Kris and his distaste for our politics, and term it as "distrust" when the reason they don't trust us is that they just don't like us. That's not a debate that can be resolved peacefully. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm not calling anyone out on anything. The issue is how is trust regained. Right or wrong, events happened that called integrity into question. I have used the statement here many times in this forum "Not my sandbox, not my rules" and I stand by that.
The ONLY way "trust" get's rebuilt is we go on with out any incidents and people get more actual help with getting things accomplished and less brick walls for whatever reason, be it "It will never work" to "I don't want that". Only time fixes this and the minute another incident hits we start, not from ground zero, but from two steps back from here. That's just how it is. You can all call this whatever crisis you want, but the RP/Spam world is still out posting the government rewrite/arguments 20 to 1 (absolutely assumed statistic). Most people just want to get on here and do what they want to do, not bicker and argue. As long as it becomes people can get here and do what they want without issue, life is easy for everyone. God bless you all for being admins, however you do it. The only thing I can offer is you decide "My sandbox, my rules" or "Our sandbox and I have the ability to make it better for all of us". There is no middle ground that doesn't come without controversy That's just human nature and you can't change it. The admins have to really reflect that had Hileville and the cabinet just moved the forums, we'd still be on Zetaboards today and you'd still be in a quagmire with the ineffective court system that even tho you got a judgement saying it was illegal, the community would have said "Ok, so we were wrong but we'll stay here" and the Assembly would be in conversation making it legal. Again. Time is the only thing that fixes this.
(03-28-2016, 11:38 AM)W. Charlesfort Wrote:(03-27-2016, 09:01 PM)QuietDad Wrote: Most people just want to get on here and do what they want to do, not bicker and argue. EXACTLY!, our opinions are either attacked or completely ignored. (Not so much anymore for me, but it still happens) -Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions -Legislator 2/24/20- -High Court Justice 6/7/20- -South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20- -Minister of Engagement 6/17/22- -Past Roles/Positions -Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18 -Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21 -Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17 -Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18 -Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17 -Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and 2/26/16-7/3/2016
Attacked... Or are the "officials" simply disagreeing with you? I haven't seen anybody be insulted or disparaged for anything they've posted in the GC.
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When somebody considers disagreement an attack or a dismissal, that's not really a valid opinion to hold.
I'm not wasting any more time to decide if people are attacked by the officials. The best way to fix this is to give everyone the chance to have their argument addressed. Now back to the debate on admin accountability.
-Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions -Legislator 2/24/20- -High Court Justice 6/7/20- -South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20- -Minister of Engagement 6/17/22- -Past Roles/Positions -Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18 -Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21 -Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17 -Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18 -Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17 -Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and 2/26/16-7/3/2016 |
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