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**Belschaft** · 02-15-2017, 04:25 PM

I'm inclined to agree with Roavin here. At this point, I really don't see the effort we'd have to spend in trying to fix relations with Balder as worth it, even assuming it was possible.

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Ryccia · 02-15-2017, 04:26 PM

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***Tsunamy*** · 02-15-2017, 04:53 PM

(02-15-2017, 04:25 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I'm inclined to agree with Roavin here. At this point, I really don't see the effort we'd have to spend in trying to fix relations with Balder as worth it, even assuming it was possible.

I'm here too. This treaty has long been dead — essentially since my first go around as delegate. Let's just pull the plug and get it over with.

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Imperial Frost Federation · 02-15-2017, 05:24 PM

Can we just motion the repeal of the Balder treaty to a vote in the assembly and have the MoFA state the nullification of the treaty to the mofa of Balder?

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**Seraph** · 02-15-2017, 05:31 PM

I think we can. (Although I'm sure someone will correct me). In which case, I motion that the Assembly vote on the dissolution of the Balder-TSP Treaty.

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**Belschaft** · 02-15-2017, 05:42 PM

I'm fairly sure that - legally speaking - this is meant to come from the cabinet. There's historic precedence for the Assembly "asserting" a power by... well, doing it, and the legal authority for such an action being implicit in the assembly then passing the motion/action/whatever by sufficient a margin that it would, in the form of a charter amendment, grant the assembly said power.

I'm not sure how well that would stand up in court these days though.

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Sygian · 02-15-2017, 05:52 PM

I guess I didn't read close enough to see that they already violated the treaty in 2016. If so, there is no reason we shouldn't pull the plug.

Imperial Frost Federation · 02-15-2017, 05:55 PM

(02-15-2017, 05:42 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I'm fairly sure that - legally speaking - this is meant to come from the cabinet. There's historic precedence for the Assembly "asserting" a power by... well, doing it, and the legal authority for such an action being implicit in the assembly then passing the motion/action/whatever by sufficient a margin that it would, in the form of a charter amendment, grant the assembly said power.

I'm not sure how well that would stand up in court these days though.

If the legality of the Assembly's potential action is in question, we could always amend the Treaty act to include a fourth clause allowing the Assembly to initiate, debate and dissolve a treaty. However, I think in this particular instance the assembly is compelled to act when the formal dissolution process isn't invoked by the cabinet. Although the issue is moot if we go by DM's executive order on the unilateral dissolution of the treaty which I am against.

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**Belschaft** · 02-15-2017, 06:12 PM

(02-15-2017, 05:52 PM)Sygian Wrote: I guess I didn't read close enough to see that they already violated the treaty in 2016. If so, there is no reason we shouldn't pull the plug.

That's debatable, and problematic.

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Sygian · 02-15-2017, 06:58 PM

(02-15-2017, 04:25 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I'm inclined to agree with Roavin here. At this point, I really don't see the effort we'd have to spend in trying to fix relations with Balder as worth it, even assuming it was possible.

(02-15-2017, 06:12 PM)Belschaft Wrote:
(02-15-2017, 05:52 PM)Sygian Wrote: I guess I didn't read close enough to see that they already violated the treaty in 2016. If so, there is no reason we shouldn't pull the plug.

That's debatable, and problematic.

All I was doing was agreeing with Roavin. Tounge

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