So excited about this! Hope it passes before January ends

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A change, requested by TEP: Article 3, Section 1 will be changed from

1. The signatories will defend each other against threats to their security and stability, at request of the officials of the threatened region.

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1. The signatories will defend each other against threats or attempts to overthrow their legal governments, at request of the officials of the threatened region.

The reasoning is that there was concern that the language was too ambiguous and could be used to justify all sorts of silly things. This rewording should make the intent (defensive actions of the home region) clear.

( @Tim will update that in the OP soon )

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Motion to vote

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The treaty was proposed on the 19th, with the latest amendment on the 22nd. This will go to vote in TRR and TEP soon; in our procedures, however, mandatory debate time lasts until the 27th and then will be at vote for another 5 days. We've not had debate since the most recent change, and we do already have two motions to vote.

A motion to waive the remaining debate time may be appropriate, though I'm still waiting for Tim to update the OP.

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OP has been updated with all the assorted changes, I believe Roavin has detailed all of them.

I'd like to motion to waive the remaining debate time.

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So what happens if TEP decides to ban our FA officials, so that they can't post notification of treaty withdrawal? We should probably protect ourselves against Balderite tactics, and say that withdrawal just requires posting a public notice, rather than specifically of the forums of the region that probably is now hostile to us if we're trying to repeal the treaty

I don't think either The Rejected Realms or The East Pacific would pull such a dirty tactic, given that they're regions of a higher class and caliber than Balder in my opinion. However, given the healthy amount of citizen overlap that we have in both The Rejected Realms and The East Pacific, I don't think there will ever be a moment in which we would have nobody able to post a treaty termination.

I doubt anybody thought Balder would do it when we originally passed the treaty with them, either. It should be standard to not leave TSP open to that kind of stuff again.

That's pretty fair honestly. I've relayed the matter to the TRR and TEP Diplomatic Staff and I'm hoping we'll have an answer on the change as soon as possible. I can't imagine it's one anybody would oppose, especially given TSP's circumstances for desiring it.

Was this ever resolved? The original phrasing is still in the OP draft.

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Yup, mea culpa. I copied from the wrong document, we've had more than a couple Google Docs open.

Changes should be good to go now. Language now clearly states public notice instead of forum.

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I second the motion to waive the remaining debate time on this treaty.


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Since Tim keeps failing to update the OP right ...

The final version that should go to vote in all three regions:

The January Accords

Preamble
The South Pacific, The Rejected Realms, and The East Pacific venturing to promote the ideals of democracy, unity and peace amongst GCRs; to ensure positive relations and cooperation between our three fine regions, and recognize the legitimate governments of the named, have agreed to the following terms:

Article I - Diplomatic Relations
1. The signatories of this Treaty will recognize each other's constitutional governments, and any successors established according to each region's domestic legal standards, as the sole legitimate governments of their respective home regions.
2. The signatories will ensure continuing diplomatic relations with each other, in the form of NationStates and forum embassies.

Article II - Non-Aggression
1. The signatories will not invade each other's home region or territories, nor participate in any action with the intent to overthrow their legitimate governments as recognised in this Treaty.
2. The signatories will not engage in clandestine, espionage or other spying operations against one another, including their regional military forces.
3. Military operations where the signatories are involved in opposite sides shall not be construed as acts of hostility or aggression unless they result in a violation of a provision of this Treaty.

Article III - Mutual Defense
1. The signatories will defend each other against military threats or attempts to overthrow their legal governments, at request of the officials of the threatened region.
2. The signatories will assist each other during lawful delegate transitions.

Article IV - Intelligence Sharing
1. The signatories will share any information relevant to the security of the other signatories, provided it does not directly threaten their own security. This includes information relating to both regional and forum security.

Article V - Cultural Cooperation
1. The signatories shall endeavor to conduct communal cultural activities, to the benefit of members of all signatory regions.

Article VI - Final Provisions
1. This Treaty will come into effect upon its ratification by the duly authorized individuals or bodies of all the signatory regions.
2. The signatories may not invoke another international agreement to refrain from complying with their mutual obligations under this Treaty.
3. Any signatory may withdraw from this Treaty with a public notice to the other signatories, effective after seven days.

(This post was last modified: 01-24-2018, 04:58 PM by Roavin.)

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