Also: I don't think it's advisable to name something after Glen (or any other active player), no matter how amazing he is. He's still a living player with controversies in both TSP and the wider NationStates world.

Aga/Eunopiar

Mostly does boring things.

Reply

I've no issues with naming stuff after active players, provided that it's well-earned. It's a matter of recognising someone's contributions to the region, not pleasing people in other regions.

Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator.
I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum.

Legal Resources:
THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System

Reply

Also: I don't think it's advisable to name something after Glen (or any other active player), no matter how amazing he is. He's still a living player with controversies in both TSP and the wider NationStates world.

Mavenu is probably the choice to go for then (though I agree with Kris that the opinions of outsiders shouldn't matter for this)

I object to the High Court being placed below the WA while the Assembly is placed above it. There is no reason why one of the main branches of our government should be placed below a non-branch, however important we might feel the WA is.

That's a fair point, I didn't think too much about the order of things in there.

I'd also float the possibility of having the WA subforum be a top-level forum within the Lampshade District rather than the Fudgetopia Centre. Worth discussing.

Reply

I think the WA department should be part of the government category because it lends credence to being one of TSP's institutions.

4× Cabinet minister /// 1× OWL director /// CRS member /// SPSF

My History

Reply

First batch of changes:

• The World Assembly Center is now a top-level forum under the Fudgetopia category.
  
• Nixed the Local Council forum, everything that was in there is now in the archive.
  

Reply

Hello,

I wanted to revive this thread because I've been thinking a little bit about forum re-organization. Right now, I feel like there's a few areas we could do some clean up to declutter the main front page of the forum and then also reprioritize other parts of the forum that we may want to get more attention. As was explained effectively earlier in this thread, in contemporary contexts too much hierarchy (done in favor of organizational precision) in a forum makes it harder to attract new users and get them more involved in the forum itself. As a result, consolidating in some areas while expanding in others could go a long way to making the forum more engaging for people who aren't necessarily accustomed to forum-based culture, while still making it accessible for those who are "forum natives".

A few suggestions in this spirit:

• Information Centre should be destroyed. The main area of this forum is not used at this point and we've moved all of our introductory guides for newer members into Dispatch format. Its sub-forums (The MATT-DUCK Law Archive and The Mavenu Diplomatic Archive) should be turned into sub-forums of The Assembly forum. After all, that forum already includes a redirect to the MATT-DUCK Law Archive anyways, so there's little point to storing all our laws and treaties in an entirely separate forum.
  
• Civic and Political Organization Center and NationStates Discussion Center should be combined, likely under a new label of some kind, under the "SP Street" section. Additionally, we could rename "SP Street" since it doesn't really reference anything in particular.
  
• Lampshade Bar and Grill should be moved to the Seaport section, ideally right below the Welcome Center. Lampshade Bar and Grill is the main community area on our forum, just a place for people to talk with one another rather than being dedicated to any specific governmental purpose. While it's not getting much use right now, my hope is by putting it higher up in the hierarchy it may get some actual use and (re-)emerge as a key part of the broader community. This would leave "Lampshade District" empty, allowing us to remove a category.
  

Additionally, I was wondering if efforts were ever made to actualize this idea of a header to list critical forum links for people to take a look at.

Minister of Foreign Affairs
General of the South Pacific Special Forces
Ambassador to Balder
Former Prime Minister and Minister of Defense

(This post was last modified: 11-04-2021, 01:48 AM by HumanSanity.)

Reply

For what it's worth, this would be my ideal forum layout:

Waterfront District
-- South Pacific International Seaport (welcome and registration threads)
-- Lampshade Bar and Grill (general discussion, consolidating the LB&G and the Civil and Political Organisation Centre)
---- Badger Street (consolidating the NS Discussion Centre and news media)
---- Hall of Spam (spam games)
-- Operations Centre (admin and mod requests)
---- Moderation Back Office (moderation discussion)
---- Administration Back Office (administration discussion)

Treasure Island
-- Pacifica (consolidating Main Canon, Diplomacy, and Embassies)
---- World Forum (WF discussion)
---- Media (national news)
---- Cartography (consolidating Facts and Maps)
-- Extra-Canon (consolidating Sci-Fi and Fantasy)

Government District
-- Assembly (public legislative discussion)
---- Private Hall (private legislative discussion)
---- Voting Chamber (voting)
---- THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive (laws, resolutions, and treaties)
-- Cabinet (public executive discussion and announcements)
---- Cabinet Office (private Cabinet discussion)
---- Ministry Private Offices (one subforum per ministry, visible only to that ministry's staff)
-- High Court (case submissions)
---- 2504 Lampshade Street (case deliberation and private judicial business)
---- ORCS and CSS (links)
-- Council on Regional Security (public security announcements)
---- Cantina of Requisite Sustenance (private CSS discussion)
---- Joint Security Room (private CSS-Cabinet discussion)
-- Embassy Row (embassies and consulates, ideally without subforums)

Hall of Historical Records
-- Archives (all subforums would be kept)
-- Former Forums

Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator.
I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum.

Legal Resources:
THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System

(This post was last modified: 11-04-2021, 04:54 PM by Kris Kringle.)

Reply

I swear I've written this post 4 times and I just keep forgetting to hit post <_<

Waterfront District
-- South Pacific International Seaport (welcome and registration threads)
-- Lampshade Bar and Grill (general discussion, consolidating the LB&G and the Civil and Political Organisation Centre)
---- Badger Street (consolidating the NS Discussion Centre and news media)
---- Hall of Spam (spam games)

In an ideal world, Badger Street would not be a sub-forum, but I think that's just a reality of the amount of attention that it's going to get. I like this arrangement given what we have, especially Lampshade Bar and Grill being higher up in the hierarchy.

Treasure Island
-- Pacifica (consolidating Main Canon, Diplomacy, and Embassies)
---- World Forum (WF discussion)
---- Media (national news)
---- Cartography (consolidating Facts and Maps)
-- Extra-Canon (consolidating Sci-Fi and Fantasy)

I, personally, don't use Treasure Island and think of it as less "essential" or "high priority" than the government forums. But, I realize that's likely not a universal opinion. I guess we could give it a go, on a trial basis, to see if increasing Treasure Island's visibility would assist with its activity without needlessly decreasing government activity.

-- Cabinet (public executive discussion and announcements)
---- Cabinet Office (private Cabinet discussion)
---- Ministry Private Offices (one subforum per ministry, visible only to that ministry's staff)

This would require consolidating all the public Ministry offices into the main Executive Area forum which I have ... mixed feelings about. On the one hand, I think streamlining those sub-forums could reduce the amount of unnecessary hierarchy on the forum and possibly increase the usability of the private sub-forums. On the other hand, it would take a fair amount of work for the executive to streamline our current sub-boards into one. Curious what others think about this idea.

-- Embassy Row (embassies and consulates, ideally without subforums)

I personally think the idea of eliminating subforums in Embassy Row is feasible and should be done if it can reduce Admin workload, etc. But I'm curious what @Roavin, @Jay Coop and @sandaoguo think as recent MoFAs

Minister of Foreign Affairs
General of the South Pacific Special Forces
Ambassador to Balder
Former Prime Minister and Minister of Defense

Reply

I, personally, don't use Treasure Island and think of it as less "essential" or "high priority" than the government forums. But, I realize that's likely not a universal opinion. I guess we could give it a go, on a trial basis, to see if increasing Treasure Island's visibility would assist with its activity without needlessly decreasing government activity.

Just for added context, Treasure Island used to be in the location I'm proposing until a forum reorganisation placed it below the Government District. Beyond that though, I guess I look at it from the point of view that government will inevitably have some activity by its very nature (and we should be promoting forum involvement anyway), but we don't need to make it more difficult for people to access RP areas.

This would require consolidating all the public Ministry offices into the main Executive Area forum which I have ... mixed feelings about. On the one hand, I think streamlining those sub-forums could reduce the amount of unnecessary hierarchy on the forum and possibly increase the usability of the private sub-forums. On the other hand, it would take a fair amount of work for the executive to streamline our current sub-boards into one. Curious what others think about this idea.

I'm not inherently opposed to top level ministry areas, but given how many we have now I want to make sure that we find a balance between giving each ministry its due location and avoiding a forum index that's too unwieldy.

Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator.
I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum.

Legal Resources:
THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System

(This post was last modified: 11-08-2021, 10:19 PM by Kris Kringle.)

Reply

I honestly don't think we need front-facing forums for each ministry; one should be enough. Whether we put the backroom ministry forums in Fudgetopia directly or place them under another forum, I don't care about too much.

What would be the benefit of eliminating the forums in Embassy Row?

Reply