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***Kris Kringle*** · 03-10-2019, 07:51 PM

Concrete Slab v. New Haudenosaunee Confederacy

Docket File Number: 1907

Submitter: Concrete Slab

Date of Submission: 28 February 2019

Case Type: Criminal Complaint

Charge: Identity Fraud

Case Link: http://tspforums.xyz/thread-6929.html

All Justices welcome to discuss the finding of probable cause

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***Kris Kringle*** · 03-10-2019, 07:57 PM

Discussion on the Finding of Probable Cause
Source: Group Chat of the High Court

Kringle [28/02/2019]
@Belschaft: Slab has charged NHC with Identity Fraud. The thread is here: http://tspforums.xyz/showthread.php?tid=6929
My personal view is that this doesn’t meet the probable cause test, given that negative campaigning isn’t really illegal, which means concealing one’s identity to do that doesn’t qualify as Identity Fraud.

hierocles [28/02/2019]
I didn’t realize I was still here :sweat_smile: Leaving now!
hierocles left the group.28/02/2019

Belschaft [28/02/2019]
@Kringle ask him to explain how “this fraud threatens the security of The South Pacific, or circumvents the laws and legal processes of The South Pacific.” - when he can’t dismiss the case.

Kringle [28/02/2019]
nods

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***Kris Kringle*** · 03-10-2019, 09:22 PM

Concrete Slab responded the following:

(03-10-2019, 11:46 AM)Concrete Slab Wrote:
(03-03-2019, 01:05 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: Can @Concrete Slab explain in what way exactly does negative campaigning threaten regional security or circumvent regional laws?
@Kris Kringle

The complain is not against negative campaigning, your honor. That is perfectly fine and allowed. What I wrote this complaint about is identity fraud, as NHC did not list Rustonsopia as one of his puppets in his Conflict of Interest at the time he was running for Local Councillor. I believe there is a strong possibility this was violated.

I would say that the answer did not address the core intent of Identity Fraud. The crime doesn't say that the person would've broken laws, it says that the concealed identity is used to "circumvent the laws and legal processes" of the region; for example, creating a puppet to evade a ban. Based on what I know of this case, while it might be required to disclose puppets, I don't consider that NHC "circumvented" any rule by creating a puppet and using it to campaign against Slab.

Thoughts?

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**Belschaft** · 03-11-2019, 03:26 PM

I’ve reviewed the Local Council law regulating elections, and I can’t see anything requiring the disclosure of alternative identities, only positions in foreign regions.

I’ve no doubt that NHC did what CS suggests, or that it was dodgy as fuck, but in classic “Belschaft” style this was 100% legal.

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***Kris Kringle*** · 03-11-2019, 03:38 PM

That last comment was a nice touch. Tounge

Shall I post that we find no probable cause then?

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**Belschaft** · 03-11-2019, 04:03 PM

Go ahead.

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***Kris Kringle*** · 03-11-2019, 10:07 PM

CASE DISMISSED
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