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(04-22-2016, 07:11 AM)Darkstrait Wrote: Hawaii is less than half white >_> Shh, shh, shhhhhhh. It's a well known fact in America that there are only two races, Black and White, and if you're not Black, you're automatically White. Especially if you vote for Bernie Sanders. #Berniemademewhite (04-22-2016, 10:11 AM)Wolf Wrote:(04-22-2016, 07:11 AM)Darkstrait Wrote: Hawaii is less than half white >_> Are Asians white too? Hispanics? (04-22-2016, 05:37 PM)Qvait Wrote:(04-22-2016, 10:11 AM)Wolf Wrote:(04-22-2016, 07:11 AM)Darkstrait Wrote: Hawaii is less than half white >_> He's making a joke, Q.
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I know all about the joke. I was simply joining in.
I'm not sure I'm reading your q's correctly. Can you rephrase the second to last q?
(04-21-2016, 05:44 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: You're not interested in him winning. Of course you'd tell him to withdraw. I mean, seriously, can you fault a Sanders support for...supporting Sanders? Yes but anyone with the small amount of political knowledge would tell him to leave the race. He cannot win the nomination, there is no debate. However he does hold influence, he has caused Clinton to move closer to the left and he should use this influence to influence the race. I highly doubt the GOP will win the White House but you can't take any chances so Sanders should drop out, endorse Hillary and help to unite the party. Sanders could never have won the presidency, and he can't win the primaries however he could still affect this race and if he helps Hillary and helps to unite the party he could be in for a Cabinet role where he could do something. Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
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In what planet does someone have more influence over the platform by withdrawing from the election?
I genuinely don't think he has moved Clinton an inch to the left. I think actual changes to the Democratic platform will depend on Sanders delegates being insistent during the Convention and his supporters pushing after that, precisely because the point was never to simply elect Sanders, but rather to turn those ideas into serious ideas on the table. It really bothers me when you keep saying he never had a chance and should drop out, because you don't know that. Would he be the nominee had the Democratic Party embraced the idea of a competitive race, rather than constantly pushing Clinton both through its behaviour and the media? I think he would be immensely more competitive with the pledged delegates. In fact, he is already quite competitive in general election scenarios, so the idea that he would never stand a chance in November is just false. I also reject the idea that he has some duty to withdraw, as if Clinton had a right to the nomination. He is running because he has a case to make before the voters, and he has every right to make it all the way until July. If he withdrew, he would hand her over the nomination on a silver platter, depriving what remains of the primary of the important issues debate that has benefited the Party and voters. I still hope he will somehow win. But if he doesn't, I doubt he will take any Administration position, and I sincerely hope he won't. He would be better served helping push this movement he has started from the frontlines, rather than from the Cabinet Room. Can you explain why you despise him so much? He's not Jeremy Corbyn, you know? Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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In addition to Kris' post, you still have yet to reply to this one:
(04-20-2016, 05:44 PM)Punchwood Wrote:(04-20-2016, 05:20 PM)Qvait Wrote: You can't discount Senator Sanders because he lost New York. For crying out loud, it was Secretary Clinton's home state. Look at Trump, whose home state is also New York. He won the state decisively, but Senator Cruz isn't down and out for the count. There is still a chance that the Democratic superdelegates would switch over from Secretary Clinton to Senator Sanders as much as it is that Trump doesn't make it to 1,237 delegates by the Convention, at which point, he could get screwed over by the RNC. Long story short, the race isn't over until we get to the Convention. It's not hypocritical on Senator Sanders' part. As a Bernie supporter, I don't like the fact that there are superdelegates, but Bernie is playing by the DNC's rules. And where exactly is "the will of the people?" Media outlets claim that Clinton is up by two million or so votes, but there are a number of states (especially Washington) where the votes were not announced. Furthermore, there are states where Senator Sanders had victories or close losses, only to be cancelled out by the superdelegates. Examples:
Also, let's not forget the superdelegates who have already pledged their support. Take California, my home state, for example. There are 48 superdelegates that have already endorsed Clinton versus zero for Sanders. In California, Sanders is already at a significant disadvantage, and the primary election in this state is not until June 7. Again, WTF?! If you were to exclude the superdelegates from this race altogether, Clinton would have 1,446 and Sanders with 1,205, which is close.
(04-22-2016, 07:11 AM)Darkstrait Wrote:(04-20-2016, 07:47 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:(04-20-2016, 07:35 PM)Resentine Wrote: God it isn't white guys. -.- Sanders leads among young voters(18-29) at almost 80%. That's where his momentum is, not with whites, but with the young. I'm so sick of the bullshit "White, Rural, weird" paint that the media's given us. (04-22-2016, 10:11 AM)Wolf Wrote:(04-22-2016, 07:11 AM)Darkstrait Wrote: Hawaii is less than half white >_> Yeah -- please, pick out the *one* outlier to ignore my entire point. I wasn't discussing Hawaii, I was discussing the general outlines of the election. Do you want the truth? Hawaii doesn't matter. Or — at least matters a hell of a lot less when there 30-plus states that voted. You mean ONE state didn't fit the mold? OMG let me stop the presses. Just like the wonderful link Wolf provided, there's always nuance to the numbers. There's a 10, 20, 30 or even 40% of minority voters who are voting for Bernie. BUT — that doesn't change the fact that the majority are not — based on polling.
-tsunamy
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