I think this would legislate a problem that doesn't exist. I get Tsu's point of view on this to be preemptive but giving all citizens the right to declare a Great Council should be preserved. To me, that clause allows the citizens to keep the government accountable.

Surely though it does make sense for this Assembly to decide that a Great Council is needed before it is called, for otherwise could a Council be called when in fact the Assembly can deal with the problem?

(05-20-2014, 01:55 PM)Sir Pitt Wrote: Surely though it does make sense for this Assembly to decide that a Great Council is needed before it is called, for otherwise could a Council be called when in fact the Assembly can deal with the problem?

Thanks Sir Pitt -- this is what I'm trying to avoid.

The way it stands now, any citizen can call a Great Council if they feel like. (Likewise, it's also incredibly easy to ignore a call for a Great Council.) This is why I'd prefer some sort of more formalized process.

I think ya can formalize the process without takin' the power away from citizens to call a Great Council.

Perhaps require seconding motions?

(05-20-2014, 06:08 PM)God-Emperor Wrote: I think ya can formalize the process without takin' the power away from citizens to call a Great Council.

How would this proposal take anything away from citizens? All it is doing is ensuring there is some sort of agreement tat a Great Council is needed. Any citizen can still motion the vote.

We can lower the threshold if that's the issue, but it seems silly that we need a 75% vote to amend the charter, but a motion -- and maybe a second -- to possibly rewrite the whole damn thing.

But there's no need for a Great Council to come to any kind of constructive conclusion, Tsunamy.

I would argue instead of an Assembly proposal, we continue the spirit of the original law: individuals should be able to call for an Assembly.

Instead of an Assembly vote, how'll you require five supporters. Second'd. Third'd. Fourth'd. Fifth'd.

I just want to say, I think the GC has saved this region from coups multiple times, and that it single handedly gets rid of the justification that democracy is too slow when speedy reforms are needed.

I also thing if any regulation is added it should still be a very low bar to call for a GC.

(05-20-2014, 06:53 PM)Belschaft Wrote: Perhaps require seconding motions?

As Belschaft suggested, I think a second would be good. Not too high of a threshold, yet it does require more then one person to call a GC.

Seriously guys, this is just silly at this point. We have people suggesting that Great Councils don't need to come to constructive conclusions, but at the same time suggesting they are crucial to both the democracy and protection of this region. Those situations are truly mutually exclusive.

With that, I'm withdrawing this proposal. Thanks for the consideration or lack thereof.