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Following on from @Pronoun 's point about Iou, and I hope these changes aren't about IoU, rather they are an opportunity to ensure those who are postively dedicated to the region float to the top.
(Deep breath) May I highlight an issue with the last election and the comment that 'democracy will weed out the poor candidates'. The last del election was close. Depending on voting method it could have fallen 4 ways. (I'm getting to the point and it's not voting methods). IoU has said on discord he invited friends to the Assembly to support his campaign. Then IoU 'lobbied' me to withdraw my candidacy in the last hours of the election. This is because he had worked out if I withdrew at the last moment, he would knock Tim out second place and run off against Tsu. I (IMO rightly) didn't and it was left the way it was. (Good decision or bad decision by me?) The point is, Our democracy can be subverted by a well organised campaign and a good lobbying technique. To me, it's sensible to have minimum involvement standards. This protects the keys to region and doesnt mean newer delegate candidates get excluded unnecessarily. Because we've expanded opportunities for 'newer' legislators to get more involved, there are more opportunities now than there were 6 months ago to make a difference. This doesn't though, imo, mean people need to have held an elected position (like the LC), we have had some interesting elected officials who wouldn't necessarily make good delegates ! But includes the long list of other activities we do. Further, If I recall at that time there was a thought that iou and I were newer than the other candidates and we were both called populists (although I think IoU and I are quite different). Since then both of us are involved in different ways in the region at a deeper level. I read the comments earlier on the CRS. If the CRS is demoralised or disfunctional, it hasn't necessarily impinged on the ability of the region to look after itself and I think the CRS should be proud of itself and the work its done. These changes may well help invigorate it.
Beepee highlights something we all should start considering more deeply and more often:
We idealize “democracy” in a way that it is idealized in countries with hundreds of millions of citizens. Our small community size has a profound impact on the way democracy works, which is something we seldom consider in debates like these. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
... is this a good time to revive my suggestion that delegate elections on the forum should be done via approval voting?
-tsunamy
[forum admin] (12-28-2018, 12:29 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: ... is this a good time to revive my suggestion that delegate elections on the forum should be done via approval voting? It is always/never (delete as appropriate) a good time for that discussion. Founder of the Church of the South Pacific [Forum Thread] [Discord], a safe place to discuss spirituality for people of all faiths and none (currently looking for those interested in prayer and/or "home" groups);
And The Silicon Pens [Discord], a writer's group for the South Pacific and beyond! Yahweo usenneo ir varleo, ihraneo jurlaweo hraseu seu, ir jiweveo arladi. Salma 145:8
Plowed through this thread. New recap and open questions!
Recap:
Open Questions:
This touches on @Beepee's Persona Non Grata bill as well as the general discussion on proscriptions; does the Cabinet retain its authority to issue proscriptions in these reforms?
(12-30-2018, 02:23 AM)Roavin Wrote: Open Questions: With the exception of the TSP Legion of Honor Award Act, I think it would be appropriate to create separate threads to discuss each one as to do so in this thread will be chaotic. In regards to the Legion of Honour Award Act, you are also welcome to open a repeal discussion for it. I don't believe it should be part of an omnibus package because it does not directly relate to security.
(12-30-2018, 03:39 AM)Amerion Wrote: does the Cabinet retain its authority to issue proscriptions in these reforms? The recap currently doesn't lay out changing the proscription system at all, as that can be done separately; all it does is transfer the old authority that the CRS has in that regard to the CSI. (12-30-2018, 02:23 AM)Roavin Wrote: Open Questions: (12-30-2018, 03:39 AM)Amerion Wrote: With the exception of the TSP Legion of Honor Award Act, I think it would be appropriate to create separate threads to discuss each one as to do so in this thread will be chaotic. That seems fair. I'll wait to see if anybody has issues with the current recap, and then spawn those threads. (12-30-2018, 03:39 AM)Amerion Wrote: In regards to the Legion of Honour Award Act, you are also welcome to open a repeal discussion for it. I don't believe it should be part of an omnibus package because it does not directly relate to security. It shouldn't, sure, it's just that I really don't care to write the amendments to it that would be needed upon passage of this. If somebody else will be willing to write those, sure. (12-28-2018, 12:29 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: ... is this a good time to revive my suggestion that delegate elections on the forum should be done via approval voting? If we can be sure that people understand how approval voting works, sure. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
Associate Justice of the High Court and Senior Moderator (12-30-2018, 01:06 PM)Belschaft Wrote:Has anyone created a handy guide before?(12-28-2018, 12:29 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: ... is this a good time to revive my suggestion that delegate elections on the forum should be done via approval voting?
That can be created.
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