They judged his parole hearing objectively and logically. Unlike the majority of the older members of TSP who simply state "burn him, he is evil and cannot be trusted"

(11-19-2014, 02:21 AM)Apad Wrote: I take it you are also assuming that none of the members are friends with milo outside of tsp

I can't be sure about Unibot, but it would be quite a stretch to say Arbiter and Gustave are friends of Milograd, considering they have barely even seen him on IRC, much less had actual contact with him beyond greetings and the usual IRC talk.

Again, I don't think it matters who is and isn't friends of Milograd. He isn't relevant to any changes in the parole system, which is my primary concern.

And I'm glad to hear that, but the same can not be said for the majority of those who continually voice there distain for Milograd and wish to manipulate the system for their benefit.

I don't think anyone necessarily benefits by keeping him out of the region, but I don't think anyone that wants him to stay out of the region is trying to manipulate the system either.

I do believe something needs to be done, by either scrapping the system, or by including harsher criteria to judge by.

I will openly state I am against Milograd returning, I will also state the right decision to the letter of the law was made this time round. Doesn't mean it is a good law and shouldn't be changed - this is what we should be trying to discuss.

I think this needs a bit of background for those that were not around. The reason so many people are upset about this TAC is the extent of his crimes. The people that were around at the time are the ones who are most upset, which makes sense, as the newer nations probably don't have a full knowledge of what went on. I think a good way to get an understanding of why the people who were around are so upset, is to put what Milograd did into a real life example, as below:

A person is elected leader of a country, then after being elected betrays everyones trust that they will do the right thing. The leader then decides to forcibly remove half the population to another country over a 10 day period, claiming it was to give everyone in the country a say in running the government, justifiably those remaining in the nation and much of the world would be doing whatever they could to remove that leader. Once the leader is removed from power, and removed from the nation, all the people who were forcibly relocated are allowed to return. Some take up the offer, many decide not to.

For that country to then say 18 months later that all is forgiven, this ex-leader is welcome back, but they just can't be part of the government for at least 6 months, I think you can see why people in that nation who had been through the coup would be a bit upset. You can also probably imagine what the reaction would be in other parts if the world - they would think that nation was crazy. Just because the ex-leader says they are sorry, and because they didn't do the same thing while leading another nation, all is forgiven? Doesn't make sense.

Yes, I know this is just a game, not real life, but that is basically what happened. Milograd betrayed the trust of all in the region, destroyed the region to the best of his abilities, yet we are willing to welcome him back? It wouldn't fly in the real world and it shouldn't here.

Milograd gave up any right to be a part of the region when he tried to destroy it, and was able to do a pretty good job of it. The fact he couldn't completely speaks volumes about the resilience of the people here, and the way the majority of the rest of the site helped restore the region was phenomenal. Why we would consider letting him back in any capacity after what he did baffles me. No matter how sorry he is.

So that hopefully explains it a bit better, and shows why many here think this decision was so wrong. Yes, it is right as the law stands. Based on Milograd's actions, which couldn't be taken into account during the parole hearing, it is also very much the wrong decision. That is why something needs to be done.

Not political benefit, but personal. That is what this train wreck is all about.
Also, yes, the second Milo's parole ruling came out, HEM started his smear article, SB pulled out some poor excuses to try and overturn the PB. Yet, not a single one of them has provided any substantial proof. They are trying to manipulate the system.

You don't need to explain that Aram. I don't need to be a victim of a coup to know how it feels to be betrayed. I know that feeling all too well, but the difference is knowing when to let go. If you're unwilling to let go, how can you move forward? As long as such hatred continues, they will forever be a prisoner to it.

In all fairness, the parole board hasn't produced anything whatsoever, which is why your adamant support of it has me somewhat flummoxed, but, nonetheless, you'd be remiss in thinking that any calls to overturn the board is a poor excuse. It's a popular sentiment, and it's one that I believe has a high likelihood of passing. While the sentiments of many may be misguided, a train that pulls safely into the station can hardly be considered a wreck.

My support of the PB is because I believe in true justice for all and that people can change, but only if they're willing to do so.
As I have to say this again, everyone has only addressed his actions in the past tense. They don't care that he has changed. They're so conceded in their anger that they blind themselves. They walk backwards, keeping a watchful eye over their personal satisfaction with their backs to the future.

I think the vast majority of citizens in this region have their eyes towards the future, which is why many are skeptical of the board's decision. I wouldn't mistake that skepticism for malice, if I were you. While there may be a few, I don't know people that derive any personal satisfaction from keeping Milograd out of the region. Most are simply concerned with protecting the region from the greatest threat we've experienced since Sedgeistan. I don't think that makes them blind but watchful.