(01-12-2015, 11:55 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: I was being sarcastic, but thanks for illustrating my point. Everyone wants to discuss the "security issues," but also to ignore them when convenient. Let's get some consistency here.

We don't need to require WA membership for security on the forums. I'm not sure how anyone is ignoring them "when convenient."

I have mentioned nothing of security issues, I have mentioned how difficult it is to hold a serious, on topic conversation on the RMB and the fact that a majority of voters could potentially not know the impact of their votes. That is a very serious risk, that is the equivilant of putting a poll in our spam section of our forum that has binding legislative impact simply because it's more trafficked.

I think this proposal will result in uneducated and potentially uninterested residents (through no fault of their own) of the region causing major gridlock (and they could be unaware they are doing it too!! lol). Voting without agreeing/awareness with the charter is a huge unaddressed issue.

If this proposal starts and ends on the premise that more people eligible to vote = better legislative system then you do not have me convinced.

(01-12-2015, 11:05 PM)TsunamyCertainly make it "Native, World Assembly members." That would mean it would be only people who are part of the WA (so only one nation in the entire game) and people who have more influence in TSP and any other region (thereby making sure people aren\t moving in just to vote). Wrote: That should take care of our security issues, no?

No. What would stop me from joining the WA with puppet A , voting, resigning from the WA, joining with puppet B, voting and so forth. As long as you do it before the poll closes and before the next update, they all count. Different emails with the puppets make them all native. It would be really easy. 

(01-13-2015, 12:06 AM)southern bellz Wrote: I have mentioned nothing of security issues, I have mentioned how difficult it is to hold a serious, on topic conversation on the RMB and the fact that a majority of voters could potentially not know the impact of their votes.  That is a very serious risk, that is the equivilant of putting a poll in our spam section of our forum that has binding legislative impact simply because it's more trafficked.

I think this proposal will result in uneducated and potentially uninterested residents of the region causing major gridlock.  Voting without agreeing/awareness with the charter is a huge unaddressed issue.

If this proposal starts and ends on the premise that more people eligible to vote = better legislative system then you do not have me convinced.

No, it hinges on the fact that the more ways to get involved in the region, the better. The more voices involved makes less of an "oligarchy" TSP can be accused of and takes that argument out from potential coups, a la Milo. The more active nations -- especially active WA nations -- the better to protect the region.

I understand the concerns, hence why we have a means to override the lower house if necessary.

Steps have been taken in this in manner. The Charter and COL are pinned in the WFE. As I've said previously, we can't make the government inaccessible and then blame people for not getting involved.

(01-13-2015, 12:08 AM)QuietDad Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 11:05 PM)TsunamyCertainly make it "Native, World Assembly members." That would mean it would be only people who are part of the WA (so only one nation in the entire game) and people who have more influence in TSP and any other region (thereby making sure people aren\t moving in just to vote). Wrote: That should take care of our security issues, no?

No. What would stop me from joining the WA with puppet A , voting, resigning from the WA, joining with puppet B, voting and so forth. As long as you do it before the poll closes and before the next update, they all count. Different emails with the puppets make them all native. It would be really easy. 

I'd imagine the first vote would be vacated.

How is the government inaccessible? It literally only requires you to know about it and sign up. From the TSP page it is as visible as signing up for the WA.

That's like calling gmail inaccessible because you don't automatically just have access to it on the google homepage.

In all fairness, while our government is incredibly open and accessible, that doesn't mean that any newcomer has it easy. It can be very intimidatin to get involved, and we should aim at taking steps to reduce that problem.

(01-13-2015, 12:51 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: In all fairness, while our government is incredibly open and accessible, that doesn't mean that any newcomer has it easy. It can be very intimidatin to get involved, and we should aim at taking steps to reduce that problem.

Which is a noble goal that I support. I don't think the answer is handing them a lot of power that they won't know how to use.

How do we know they won't know how to use that power? Citizens have no special qualifications. They are residents that filled out an application. If we trust citizens' abilities to handle their powers, why not residents?

(01-13-2015, 01:05 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: How do we know they won't know how to use that power? Citizens have no special qualifications. They are residents that filled out an application. If we trust citizens' abilities to handle their powers, why not residents?

If they're too overwhelmed/intimidated to join the forums, I don't understand how the solution to that is giving them control over the government. How would they know how to use it? What kind of legislation do we pass that is relevant to their day-to-day lives on the RMB?