So, when we learn a month later that the person voted when they weren't supposed to have citizenship... We invalidate the vote, potentially invalidating the whole law?

When instead we could simply have a more sensible approach to activity requirements?

Despite what you think about masking and citizenship, Tsu, masking is the ONLY way we currently keep track of who is and is not a citizen.

(03-26-2015, 01:44 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: So, when we learn a month later that the person voted when they weren't supposed to have citizenship... We invalidate the vote, potentially invalidating the whole law?

When instead we could simply have a more sensible approach to activity requirements?

Despite what you think about masking and citizenship, Tsu, masking is the ONLY way we currently keep track of who is and is not a citizen.

And it just so happens that all of the power to determine citizenship in concentrated in the hands of three people?

Seems legit.

Who else would you legally like it to be available to?

ECs are not vetted by the Assembly and don't have to be citizens, in fact I wonder if they can be appointed from regions that TSP is in enmity with? Probably as there is no oversight.

Therefore, if not the three people the region has chosen to trust as administrators - then who determines citizenship? I don't see any clear suggestions.

P.S. I we are removing the "post requirement" which hasn't worked anyway how does that affect the current situation?

Full support removing the post requirement. It's a simply a bad law that has brought our region no benefit, and clearly has massive enforcement issues that aren't worth it to find a way to resolve.

I appreciate Hileville's use of the rolling timeframe. As a med tech IRL, there are certain medications I have to track in such fashion and it is not as hard to determine as some people try to make it. It also allows some flexibility in support of the retention of citizenship. I fully support his proposal.

I agree with Escade and others on the point of forum posts and would like to suggest use of "suspended" in lieu of "lost" if such requirement is retained. Failure to make two forum posts in thirty days is hardly an offense worthy of disenfranchisement and forfeiture of citizenship.

(03-26-2015, 07:15 AM)southern bellz Wrote: Full support removing the post requirement.  It's a simply a bad law that has brought our region no benefit, and clearly has massive enforcement issues that aren't worth it to find a way to resolve.

I'd be against removing the post requirement. Our citizenship logs were enormous before we did that - it was a big bank of accounts to use in our elections when people wanted.

I'd be in support of simplifying the process, however, with simply a roll-call monthly.

(03-26-2015, 12:09 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote:

Considering how everyone thinks the admins never do their job right when it comes to handling citizenship checks, and seeing that I am the only admin that actually runs those checks, I will no longer be conducting them. If want checks conducted, talk to the Vice Delegate; soon she will be given the power to demask citizens. From now on take citizenship complaints to your elected immigration official, because I am done with the Assembly criticizing everything the admins ever do.

As someone who does this for another region, I feel your pain. I'm of the opinion admin shouldn't have a role in citizenship beyond direct forum security and lending technical support where needed. Making this the prerogative of an elected official is a great choice.

(03-26-2015, 12:09 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote:

Considering how everyone thinks the admins never do their job right when it comes to handling citizenship checks, and seeing that I am the only admin that actually runs those checks, I will no longer be conducting them. If want checks conducted, talk to the Vice Delegate; soon she will be given the power to demask citizens. From now on take citizenship complaints to your elected immigration official, because I am done with the Assembly criticizing everything the admins ever do.

Out of curiosity, have any citizenships other than Bels been removed since the last pre-election check?