Again, for all the complaints about how the admins are being political already, you do not want to subject the team to regular elections. You cannot have it both ways.

(04-02-2015, 07:45 PM)Hileville Wrote: How about this as a compromise.  We go with a 60% vote in favor of the appointment keeping with an existing percentage and add a re-confirmation after 1 year.

2. 1 member will be appointed by the Delegate, 1 member from the Committee for State Security will be appointed by said Committee, and 1 will be a member of the Forum Administration Staff appointed by said Administration Staff.  All members must be confirmed by the Assembly with a 60% majority vote in favor of the appointment.
3. Members of the Citizenship Council serve for a one year period unless they resign, are recalled, and/or they no longer hold Citizenship. Each year membership must be re-confirmed by the Assembly.  If the Assembly does not re-confirm the appointment process for that member will be followed.

Why lower the 75% to 60%. I support the system you've laid out, except the 60% confirmation. 50+1% and 75% are two percentages we've used for confirmations elsewhere.

You still haven't addressed the potential of backdating on Section 2, either. My other suggestion would be to include an Assembly Resolution along with this constitutional amendment that explicitly discourages the court from backdating these changes to affect our current security threat designations. 

I'm fine with 75. Was just trying to appease those who feel it is too high.

The most current draft being discussed:

Quote:Section 2 - Acceptance and Removal

1. Citizenship applications will be reviewed by the Citizenship Council.
2.  Applicants may not use a proxy, may not attempt to avoid a forum ban, and/or applying for Citizenship with multiple nations.  In the event that an applicant is found to be in violation of any of the above by the Forum Administration or the Citizenship Council their application will be denied.
3.  The Citizenship Council will decide whether to admit or deny the application.  In the event that an applicant is denied the reason for denial must be disclosed by the Citizenship Council. The applicant may appeal their denial to the Assembly which may reverse the denial by a 75% majority vote in favor.
4. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Citizenship Council curing the next monthly check.
5.  The Cabinet may remove Citizenship from a nation who is found to be a Security Threat, preferably upon the recommendation of the Committee for State Security. 
6.  Citizens are to be distinguished from Citizen-Electors. Citizens may vote in the Assembly and have all other rights afforded to them except for the right to vote in elections. 


Section 3 - Citizenship Council

1.  The Citizenship Council will be comprised of 3 members.
2.  1 member will be appointed by the Delegate, 1 member from the Committee for State Security will be appointed by said Committee, and 1 will be a member of the Forum Administration Staff appointed by said Administration Staff.
3.  Members of the Citizenship Council serve for a one year period unless they resign, are recalled, and/or they no longer hold Citizenship. Each year members of the Council may be changed following the appointment process as outlined.
4.  The Citizenship Council is responsible for maintaining a list of all Citizens and Citizen-Electors.  If the Assembly does not re-confirm the appointment process for that member will be followed.


Article 2: Bill of Rights

1. Nations that reside in The South Pacific shall be afforded all rights contemplated in this article unless otherwise noted.
2. The freedom of speech, including the freedom of expression and the press.
3. The freedom of thought, including the freedom of belief, opinion and conscience.
4. The freedom of association, including the freedom of peaceful assembly.
5. The right to equality and the freedom from the denial of participation based on arbitrary or discriminative criteria. 
6. The right to contact the government on all matters of their interest and receive a prompt and adequate response from the relevant officials.
7. The right to defend themselves in the judicial system of the Coalition of The South Pacific with all the guarantees of a speedy hearing and due process of law.
8. The right to apply for citizenship and have such an application promptly accepted, subject to requirements of citizenship, or otherwise denied under reasonable causes, with the right to an appeal to the appropriate officials.
9. The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law.
10. The freedom to determine to whom their endorsements are given, subject to the duties and restrictions established in the Charter and the Code of Laws.
11. The right to vote in Assembly matters is afforded to citizens.
12. The right to vote in elections and run for office in a TSP government position is a right afforded to the Citizen-Electorate. This right is afforded to all nations holding cumulative citizenship for four months before the start of the elections nominations period and having a minimum of 25 posts on the forums.

Section 2.2 should read "may not use a proxy" not "may not be using a proxy"

Edited, thanks!

Oh, I missed one.

back in 2.2, it should read:

"may not attempt to avoid a forum ban" not " may not be attempting to avoid a forum ban"

Regarding sections 2.4 and 2.5.

4. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Citizenship Council.

This presents the same issue we currently have with the removal of citizenship. You should establish specific times for citizenship checks. Once a month would probably suffice.

5. The Cabinet may remove Citizenship from a nation who is found to be a Security Threat, preferably upon the recommendation of the Committee for State Security.

This does not fully establish The Cabinet having to consult the CSS. With this wording, The Cabinet is not required to take the matter to the CSS (and I think some people were actually demanding that they be required to do so.)

The role of the CSS is evolving and needs to be reviewed therefore I'd leave it as preferably. Will edit and re-post. I swear it feels like eons have passed with the number of revisions we've had but its a good thing.

Quote:Section 2 - Acceptance and Removal

1. Citizenship applications will be reviewed by the Citizenship Council.
2.  Applicants may not use a proxy, may not attempt to avoid a forum ban, may no apply for Citizenship with multiple nations.  In the event that an applicant is found to be in violation of any of the above by the Forum Administration or the Citizenship Council their application will be denied.
3.  The Citizenship Council will decide whether to admit or deny the application.  In the event that an applicant is denied the reason for denial must be disclosed by the Citizenship Council. The applicant may appeal their denial to the Assembly which may reverse the denial by a 75% majority vote in favor.
4. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Citizenship Council curing the next monthly check.
5.  The Cabinet may remove Citizenship from a nation who is found to be a Security Threat, preferably upon the recommendation of the Committee for State Security. 
6.  Citizens are to be distinguished from Citizen-Electors. Citizens may vote in the Assembly and have all other rights afforded to them except for the right to vote in elections. 
7. The CSS may, on behalf of the Citizenship Council, undertake an investigation into nations who have been denied citizenship or declared a security risk.


Section 3 - Citizenship Council

1.  The Citizenship Council will be comprised of 3 members.
2.  1 member will be appointed by the Delegate, 1 member from the Committee for State Security will be appointed by said Committee, and 1 will be a member of the Forum Administration Staff appointed by said Administration Staff.
3.  Members of the Citizenship Council serve for a one year period unless they resign, are recalled, and/or they no longer hold Citizenship. Each year members of the Council may be changed following the appointment process as outlined.
4.  The Citizenship Council is responsible for maintaining a list of all Citizens and Citizen-Electors.  If the Assembly does not re-confirm the appointment process for that member will be followed.


Article 2: Bill of Rights

1. Nations that reside in The South Pacific shall be afforded all rights contemplated in this article unless otherwise noted.
2. The freedom of speech, including the freedom of expression and the press.
3. The freedom of thought, including the freedom of belief, opinion and conscience.
4. The freedom of association, including the freedom of peaceful assembly.
5. The right to equality and the freedom from the denial of participation based on arbitrary or discriminative criteria. 
6. The right to contact the government on all matters of their interest and receive a prompt and adequate response from the relevant officials.
7. The right to defend themselves in the judicial system of the Coalition of The South Pacific with all the guarantees of a speedy hearing and due process of law.
8. The right to apply for citizenship and have such an application promptly accepted, subject to requirements of citizenship, or otherwise denied under reasonable causes, with the right to an appeal to the appropriate officials.
9. The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law.
10. The freedom to determine to whom their endorsements are given, subject to the duties and restrictions established in the Charter and the Code of Laws.
11. The right to vote in Assembly matters is afforded to citizens.
12. The right to vote in elections and run for office in a TSP government position is a right afforded to the Citizen-Electorate. This right is afforded to all nations holding cumulative citizenship for four months before the start of the elections nominations period and having a minimum of 25 posts on the forums.

Please provide feedback, this has been under discussion for about a week now and it would be great to move forward.

I want to address two things but don't want to Omnibus this any more (the security risk declaration process to be outlined like the State of Emergency process) and some thing else relating to having the Courts be one check but let's at least get this moving forward.

Ok so I added this part:
7. The CSS may, on behalf of the Citizenship Council, undertake an investigation into nations who have been denied citizenship or declared a security risk. 


Does this alleviate the difference between the previous draft and this one?

And/or applying should be may not apply for.