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RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Hammerstar - 05-13-2015
Can't we just have a controlled anarchy?
With a dash of pacifism and a hint of moral values.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Ryccia - 05-13-2015
No. We need a government, a central command structure that everyone will follow. Commands in anarchy cannot be implemented as there is no institution to enforce them.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - CrimsonTideFan - 05-13-2015
(05-11-2015, 07:23 AM)Ryccia Wrote:(05-09-2015, 10:58 PM)CrimsonTideFan Wrote: Ryccia, your view on communism is very skewed, but then again with us being Americans, it's relatively understandable. Here's the thing about those nations that were insanely radical. That's the thing, they were RADICAL. The jumped to a place beyond reason. If you really want to judge socialism, or even communism on such a thing; let's look at a few mishaps of capitalists.
-BK Kim, Geohazards specialist for BP and gave the world an idea about the amount of petroleum in the Gulf Coast that got spilled on the sea floor and how it's damaging the environment; also brought up the corner cutting, and half ass work BP did to make sure a leak wouldn't happen, has had multiple assassination attempts on his life.
-Any kind of drug-related war, cocaine, opium, you name it, if there's a illegal market for it, rival gangs will kill each other to control it.
-Bribery, vote-buying, etc., <-this one's pretty easy to understand but what the hell we'll name a few; KKK members payed to intimidate people to vote for certain people, Kellogg Brown & Root case, KBR built an illegal natural gas plant and paid the Nigerian government to okay it, and PG&E vs. the town of Hinkley, CA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_groundwater_contamination
Capitalism is far, far from perfect Ryccia; and judging socialism by comparing it to people like: Castro, Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong Il & Un is just like judging Islam by looking at ISIS, the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda. Nothing is good when it's used or taken to extremes.
I know that capitalism is flawed. But I like the system(without corruption of course). For me, its better than communism or socialism.
But what does a drug gang war have to do with capitalism? Im anti-drugs btw.
Capitalism is based on private businesses offering wanted goods in a competitive market. Let's make the analogy of gangs being like a business, as they control an illegal commodity that is in demand. But because of the risk they take in selling such a commodity, they are pushed to the point of eliminating competition through turf wars, or passive-aggressive cease fires; much like how rival businesses try to offer goods at lower prices than their competitors. All for the sake of being the monopoly of the market.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - CrimsonTideFan - 05-13-2015
(05-13-2015, 12:30 PM)The International Knights Wrote: Can't we just have a controlled anarchy?
With a dash of pacifism and a hint of moral values.
^I'd love for this kind of government to take place, except for the fact that it's an oxymoron. Anarchy can not be controlled, and people's morals differentiate from others. This is why I'm a libertarian who admires some socialist values. A central government, that limits a state/province's power more or less like how the supreme court determines if a law passed by congress, can be ruled as illegal by the supreme court by examining the Constitution. My opinion on market is that it should remain free, and the government can participate in it as it sees fit, with all employees receiving an equal gain share of the profits, that don't go back into re-innovating the business, at the end of the year.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - CrimsonTideFan - 05-13-2015
(05-11-2015, 12:08 PM)Ryccia Wrote:(05-11-2015, 11:20 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote:(05-11-2015, 07:23 AM)Ryccia Wrote: For me, its better than communism or socialism.
(05-07-2015, 09:40 AM)Ryccia Wrote: I can't consider socialism. The wikipedia explanation is written in a way I can't understand. Seriously, is like Im reading another language!
So you don't understand socialism, but you think capitalism is better. Right...
I read it again and again and I think I understand it. Its sharing, like communism.
If you understand it then you will know that socialism is a very, very mild form of communism. Actually socialism favors the working class as far as benefits and distribution of capital; also you can own things as mentioned before, but the government is the only supplier. This is the same as if there were only one chain of stores in Puerto Rico. Once you purchase the goods, they are to do as you want. The reason most communist states don't work out is that people put on a facade, saying that they are for the people when they are really in it for their own selfish gain. Just like greedy [insert demonym here] politicians preach that they are for the people.
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - CrimsonTideFan - 05-13-2015
Ryccia, if you're wondering why I'm defending socialism, it's because I don't believe you honestly understand it.
Socialism versus Capitalism - ProfessorHenn - 05-13-2015
Defending it as a part of a quadruple post? Medallion for you, sir.
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Jasper Henn
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - Darkstrait - 05-13-2015
How come I don't get a medallion?
RE: Socialism versus Capitalism - CrimsonTideFan - 05-13-2015
(05-13-2015, 05:50 PM)ProfessorHenn Wrote: Defending it as a part of a quadruple post? Medallion for you, sir.
Jasper Henn
Don't give me the medallion yet Henn, remember I still said that I was more of a capitalist than a socialist. I don't like the way socialism revolves just around the government, as I've said I'm a libertarian (if I HAD to pick one). The less goverment control (within reason the better. I do like capitalism, because it offers more freedom, just as democracy does. But because of the leeway it can be used to abuse.
Socialism versus Capitalism - ProfessorHenn - 05-13-2015
(05-13-2015, 06:56 PM)Darkstrait Wrote: How come I don't get a medallion?
Same medal to you!
Crimson, you have, in an impressive 4 posts, somehow remained a capitalist while slightly degrading it at the same time in order to prove another capitalist wrong in his admittedly insane belief of socialism. Like it or not, Medal for you.
Jasper Henn