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[PASSED] Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Jay Coop - 09-06-2020 Hello, everybody! The Cabinet presents the following treaty with the Free Nations Region before the Assembly for consideration. All legislators are encouraged to share their thoughts on this proposed treaty and suggest revisions. Quote: RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - sandaoguo - 09-06-2020 Could the Assembly be given more information about this region? Its history, culture, how we currently cooperate, etc? RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Qaweritoyu - 09-06-2020 (09-06-2020, 05:45 PM)Jay Coop Wrote:Quote: Is it ever possible to adopt a true pretense? RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Jay Coop - 09-06-2020 (09-06-2020, 05:48 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: Could the Assembly be given more information about this region? Its history, culture, how we currently cooperate, etc? The Free Nations Region (FNR) is a four-year-old region that shares our defender values and is a potential ally in R/D. FNR is a democratic region with a government similar to ours. The region elects a President as its head of government, a Delegate, a Cabinet, and a Speaker of the Legislature. From time to time, the SPSF has engaged in operations alongside their military, the Free Nations Defense Association (FNDA). Since early July, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has maintained an ambassador in FNR. (09-06-2020, 05:56 PM)Qaweritoyu Wrote:(09-06-2020, 05:45 PM)Jay Coop Wrote:Quote: It is an anti-espionage provision. RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Somyrion - 09-06-2020 I feel like I should expand a bit on that summary of FNR. Back in late 2016 and early 2017, I was Chief Justice in the region and wrote the constitution that they still use today, as far as I'm aware. At that time, the region was a bit of an immature mess. The founder, Crystalsummer, was a bit notorious for (all in good faith) making spontaneous and erratic executive decisions and setting up many, many failed interregional defense alliances. The FNR has always been similar in size and place in the world to the Union of Democratic States, one of our current allies. Like the UDS, they're basically blandly democracy- and defender-themed. But in the past they were also always the more troubled one of the two, with more governmental crises and problematic leadership and unskilled decisionmaking (think, roughly, to large UCRs what TEP is to the GCRs). Just recently, after a bit of a scandal involving the Midnight Order (if I recall correctly), Crystalsummer resigned as founder and his nation is now controlled by Heaveria, one of the members of the regional leadership. My impression is that FNR has, for quite some time now, been making strides to appear more professional in their presentation to the world. They've been moving towards serious relationships with GCRs, and leadership looks a lot more stable now than it was three years ago. Of course, they're quite a lot larger now, with a lot more developed infrastructure and culture. They're still strongly defender, though I can't speak to the strength of their military. RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Jay Coop - 09-06-2020 Thank you Somy for the more in-depth answer to Glen's question. I should also add that FNR is a member of the Consortium, which is more or less TEP's equivalent to the World Assembly Legislative League. RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Nakari - 09-08-2020 Recently, like, in the last two to three weeks, FNR had a whole thing about trying to take over TMO as their new military. Then they changed their minds and accused Crystalsummer of hijacking Indo-Malaysia's founder nation of TMO and changing the password so Indo couldn't access it, resulting in CS handing the founder nation of FNR over. Turns out that Indo never actually held that founder nation in the first place and all accusations of stealing the nation were false, which I don't think FNR has adequately explained/apologized for. (I said earlier that I didn't think they'd acknowledged it - they did but it was like two sentences apologizing to the inconvenience to the mods...) While I think there are a lot of shades of grey in the situation, this doesn't really convince me that FNR isn't sketchy any more. I guess my question is if the MoFA can convince me otherwise. RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Somyrion - 09-08-2020 Huh. I didn't know the more recent developments in that situation. It sounds very FNR and doesn't leave me totally confident that we should be entering into a treaty. RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Roavin - 09-08-2020 +1 to what Nakari said. The false accusation of nation "stealing" is something that goes beyond lore and into the meta, and not something I want to associate with. RE: Pax Patronus (with the Free Nations Region) - Witchcraft and Sorcery - 09-08-2020 Yeah, I'm not super interested in dealing with that. Especially if Crystalsummer is still involved, I've still got a bad taste in my mouth over some things from a few years ago. Even if it's not in bad faith, it doesn't seem like things over in FNR have gotten any better. |