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[Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Jebediah - 11-24-2020 Just for the record: I am using my new format here which I will post a full-length post for soon. This is simply my opinion on the topic and ideas for possible solutions. It isn't really made for small straightforward things like this, however it can still help. Problem As for who should be included in the recall motion in either solution, I'd say that the Elections Act officials work pretty much fine. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Belschaft - 11-24-2020 An Office of the Coalition isn’t the same things as an official of the Coalition, though I realise that is likely a bit confusing due to the similarity between the two terms. The former refers specifically to those roles listed which the Assembly has chosen to establish separation of powers around. The second is intentionally broad. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Jebediah - 11-24-2020 (11-24-2020, 09:27 PM)Belschaft Wrote: An Office of the Coalition isn’t the same things as an official of the Coalition, though I realise that is likely a bit confusing due to the similarity between the two terms. The former refers specifically to those roles listed which the Assembly has chosen to establish separation of powers around. The second is intentionally broad. That is fair enough - but should recalls apply to just offices or should it include the officials around it? I seems a bit harsh to apply it to the latter (especially when the ministry can handle it internally, which is what usually happens) so it would make sense to change the wording of "recalls" to being the offices. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Belschaft - 11-24-2020 The recall power is intentionally not limited to just the Offices of the Coalition. There are a variety of appointed posts such as the Legislator Committee, Committee on Regional Security, Generals Corps and Associate Justices which it is meant to apply to. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Farengeto - 11-25-2020 (11-24-2020, 09:47 PM)Belschaft Wrote: The recall power is intentionally not limited to just the Offices of the Coalition. There are a variety of appointed posts such as the Legislator Committee, Committee on Regional Security, Generals Corps and Associate Justices which it is meant to apply to. And with the way deputies work, one could argue the reverse too, that there are some Offices of the Coalition that aren't supposed to be able to be recalled. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Jebediah - 11-25-2020 Well, perhaps it would be better if we could identify what we want the recall power to be used for and then just find everything that fits that. Do we want this recall power to apply to anyone in the department, only the leaders and the deputies or only the leaders? Also, can the assembly actually recall a non-elected official? The charter doesn't actually talk about employees of the executive, so if the assembly had the power to recall these employees then would that violate due process? Should we clarify this? RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Belschaft - 11-25-2020 Recall definitely applies to non-elected officials. I think an argument could be made that recall shouldn't apply to officials who weren’t confirmed by the Assembly or elected to office, but my own preference would be to retain the broadest possible definition. I can think of a variety of circumstances where the Assembly might wish to recall a Deputy Minister or Deputy Chair, a Cabinet Advisor or even an individual member of a ministry. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Kris Kringle - 11-25-2020 (11-25-2020, 04:17 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I think an argument could be made that recall shouldn't apply to officials who were confirmed by the Assembly or elected to office That would be an...interesting argument that would run contrary to how all recalls in our regional history have been used. RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Belschaft - 11-25-2020 (11-25-2020, 05:31 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote:(11-25-2020, 04:17 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I think an argument could be made that recall shouldn't apply to officials who were confirmed by the Assembly or elected to office Typo’s <_< RE: [Discussion] Clarifying who can be recalled - Kris Kringle - 11-25-2020 Ah, that makes more sense! |