(04-28-2020, 06:35 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: Okay, so here's an update, everyone. An internal dialogue between myself, the deputies, senior fellows, and advisors have begun on an alternative proposal. We understand that there are members of the Assembly who wish to split the Ministry, so we're currently discussing how to best address the issues that the Ministry is facing. So, at this time, I am urging for no vote on this matter to occur in the meantime.

We're not even close to going to a vote anyway. But why can't we discuss this as a collective here?

I think I know where this all comes from, though. It looks (to me, at least) like the perception amongst MoRA personnel is that this is some "us vs. the World" thing, and that's ... really not the case. It's not about saying "MoRA is doing a shit job" or any of that, because most of us on all sides of this issue know that MoRA is the hardest job in the region to do right. I think it's safe to say that most of the "pro-split" crowd are not at all concerned with, or have issues with, the individuals that comprise the MoRA personnel, but rather are considering the holistic view. That doesn't necessarily mean that the pro-split crowd is "right", but it's worth having a debate.

To MoRA personnel directly: I can't speak for anyone on this point but if I may interpret based on my experience in this body: There is a perception that has arisen. The "we're not being heard" rhetoric looks disingenuous to others, because you can post here just as much as they can, and in fact your points are being actively responded to, sometimes with disagreement, sometimes with concession. That the claim of not being heard still comes up despite that makes it look to others like you're saying it because you don't like being disagreed with, which in turn results in your debate opponents here turning to an incredulous and somewhat snarky demeanor. That in turn leads to more herd mentality, which in turn leads to you shutting yourself away in the #senior-fellows channel rather than staying out here, which in turn reinforces the perception, etc.etc. — I hope you can see where I'm going with this.

It's really not a "MoRA vs The Rest" thing. It's not MoRA being attacked. It's simply a TSP thing, and that involves current active MoRA personnel, new people, old cranky people, and even failed former MoRAs like myself talking things through and figuring out a good way to go about it.