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[FAILED / PASSED] [2220.AB] Calling A Great Council
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The OP's justification for calling a Great Council don't hold up to closer scrutiny. I'll get into a few of those below, but TL;DR:
  • The resolution's view on Great Councils is entirely ahistorical
  • One of the resolution's justifications is a blatant falsehood
  • There are several other problems with the resolution as well

(04-26-2022, 03:53 AM)Moon Wrote: Acknowledging that the current Charter and systems of governance were written by a generation no longer as actively involved in the community as before

The current Charter was primarily drafted by Sandaoguo, who is the sitting Minister of Foreign Affairs serving under the Prime Ministership of the very author of this resolution!

But the Charter of 2016 is not what we have today. It has been extended, modified, and adapted over time, using its built-in mechanisms of doing so. The 2016 Charter established a framework for governance plus a process for changing it to suit South Pacifican needs without needing to throw out the baby with the bathwater, which what the author is proposing.

The resolution does mention the problem with gameside vs forumside communities, and that is a legitimate criticism of the current system (and personally, I think the Local Council in this form is a failed experiment we should have gotten rid of a long time ago). But that covers one aspect of many that the Charter provides for - courts, legislature, cabinet, security system, citizen rights, etc.. When a car tire is broken, you replace the tire and not the entire car.

(04-26-2022, 03:53 AM)Moon Wrote: Understanding that during times of great need in the past, the wise constituents of this august chamber has opted to convoke a Great Council, a constitutional convention with the objective to rewrite all regional laws in their entirety, or establish a new state for the South Pacific,

This is entirely and utterly ahistorical.

The big one is the 2016 Great Council, and this one was called for different reasons: TSP had just recovered from an autocoup, with high tensions, and decided to start over completely. In this case you're right, but that was also in a way the worst one: Inactivity at that time was as bad as it hadn't been for years, many people left or got disinterested, most newer people weren't getting sufficiently engaged with (I had to beg and plead to be accepted as citizen), etc. - in other words, it was an absolute shitshow. The Charter that resulted was good, but the process was many months of pain.

Whatever you feel is bad about TSP right now, calling a GC to rewrite everything will be worse. Period.

(04-26-2022, 03:53 AM)Moon Wrote: Asserting that the present situation of the South Pacific requires the intervention of a Great Council, which would allow the brightest minds of the region to come together and frankly discuss about the problems at hand, as well as potential solutions to those,

If you want to get rid of the Local Council (and I would agree with that notion), then put in the work of writing drafts, discussing, negotiating, canvassing etc. rather than just plunging the region into months of darkness.

I could not disagree more with this resolution.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Nakari - 04-26-2022, 06:01 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Roavin - 04-26-2022, 06:26 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jay Coop - 04-26-2022, 06:33 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Belschaft - 04-26-2022, 06:45 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Moon - 04-26-2022, 09:08 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 04-26-2022, 11:12 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jay Coop - 04-26-2022, 03:42 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Kris Kringle - 04-26-2022, 12:15 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Pronoun - 04-26-2022, 12:34 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Griffindor - 04-26-2022, 12:46 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 04-26-2022, 12:46 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Encaitar - 04-26-2022, 12:50 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by LFP - 04-26-2022, 03:33 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Moon - 04-27-2022, 03:03 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Pronoun - 04-26-2022, 10:50 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Griffindor - 04-27-2022, 12:04 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by LFP - 04-27-2022, 02:02 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jay Coop - 04-27-2022, 02:07 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by LFP - 04-28-2022, 06:28 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Moon - 04-28-2022, 08:46 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Kris Kringle - 04-28-2022, 12:27 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Bleakfoot - 04-28-2022, 01:02 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 04-28-2022, 01:28 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Griffindor - 04-29-2022, 02:49 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 04-29-2022, 03:22 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Kris Kringle - 04-29-2022, 04:11 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jebediah - 04-29-2022, 05:30 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jay Coop - 04-29-2022, 08:45 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 04-29-2022, 09:26 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 04-29-2022, 10:36 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by LFP - 04-29-2022, 11:00 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Tsunamy - 04-30-2022, 04:52 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by USoVietnam - 05-01-2022, 08:11 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 05-01-2022, 11:26 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Tsunamy - 05-01-2022, 09:18 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by sandaoguo - 05-01-2022, 06:28 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by USoVietnam - 05-02-2022, 12:12 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 05-01-2022, 06:49 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Kris Kringle - 05-01-2022, 07:04 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jay Coop - 05-01-2022, 07:40 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Kris Kringle - 05-01-2022, 07:47 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jay Coop - 05-01-2022, 07:50 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Kris Kringle - 05-01-2022, 08:05 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by sandaoguo - 05-01-2022, 08:50 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Volaworand - 05-04-2022, 01:45 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by A bee - 05-06-2022, 01:19 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by im_a_waffle1 - 05-08-2022, 09:48 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Bleakfoot - 05-08-2022, 01:02 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Moon - 05-08-2022, 11:10 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Pronoun - 05-08-2022, 01:01 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by A bee - 05-08-2022, 02:55 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 05-08-2022, 02:59 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jebediah - 05-09-2022, 12:11 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Tsunamy - 05-11-2022, 05:09 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 05-11-2022, 05:27 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Tsunamy - 05-11-2022, 07:44 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by sandaoguo - 05-11-2022, 07:57 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Tsunamy - 05-12-2022, 03:33 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Pronoun - 05-13-2022, 12:05 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 05-12-2022, 05:26 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Tsunamy - 05-12-2022, 10:24 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Comfed - 05-12-2022, 11:02 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 05-13-2022, 12:08 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jebediah - 05-13-2022, 04:41 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jebediah - 05-13-2022, 01:26 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by A bee - 05-13-2022, 06:33 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jebediah - 05-13-2022, 07:33 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 05-13-2022, 08:56 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Jebediah - 05-14-2022, 08:18 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by HumanSanity - 05-13-2022, 09:20 PM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Roavin - 05-14-2022, 05:28 AM
RE: Calling A Great Council - by Pronoun - 05-14-2022, 11:37 AM



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