We can of course use the RMB to promote the government but we must not see the "gameside" as being the same thing as the RMB, the majority of people are not there.

It is the regional government's sovereign right to recruit on any medium within the South Pacific, be it by RMB or telegram or other methods.

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I do think if the Delegate were the head of government, it would be helpful in bridging the divide between RMB and forum regulars.

I'd rather the PM just have the authority to govern the gameside tho

Apologies for only dipping in and out of this and I might have missed soemthing, but currently the Prime Minister does have the authority to govern gameside. Unless something changed, we've had it written into the charter that the PM receives all possible RO powers and is the head of state; is this not still the case?

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Apologies for only dipping in and out of this and I might have missed soemthing, but currently the Prime Minister does have the authority to govern gameside. Unless something changed, we've had it written into the charter that the PM receives all possible RO powers and is the head of state; is this not still the case?

The Prime Minister is not the head of state, they are the head of government.

The Prime Minister has the authority to use RO perms. They don't have the authority to govern the RMB or create programs on the RMB (which is what we seem to mean by "gameside") without the LC's consent. Nor are they encouraged or tasked with doing so. They can do it, but it's very much not their job. Asking them to pretty please do it to make up for the flaws of the Local Council, but while still subject to the whim of the Local Council, is silly.

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Apologies for only dipping in and out of this and I might have missed soemthing, but currently the Prime Minister does have the authority to govern gameside. Unless something changed, we've had it written into the charter that the PM receives all possible RO powers and is the head of state; is this not still the case?

The Prime Minister is not the head of state, they are the head of government.

The Prime Minister has the authority to use RO perms. They don't have the authority to govern the RMB or create programs on the RMB (which is what we seem to mean by "gameside") without the LC's consent. Nor are they encouraged or tasked with doing so. They can do it, but it's very much not their job. Asking them to pretty please do it to make up for the flaws of the Local Council, but while still subject to the whim of the Local Council, is silly.

I'm unclear where this limited reading of the PM's power has come from, but this was never the intention when it was created. And, it certainly wasn't the intention that the PM or Cabinet needed to defer to the LC. The LC was created for the RMB, but the intention was always in addition to the executive branch — not in opposition to or replacement of. 

Moreover, the PM is explicitly tasked with "the overall coordination of executive activities, being a liaison between the government and the community" and individual members of the Cabinet — like engagement and culture are also tasked with interacting with the community. Unless we suddenly have decided that the "the community" doesn't involve the RMB, it is explicitly written into the current charter.

Regardless, my point remains that the PM currently has the ability to govern RMB, whether or not they've used it. And, unless there's a court case or something I'm missing that has limited the executive's power in the meantime, it seems like a matter of clarity within the law, rather than how this was envisioned to work when put in place.

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We can of course use the RMB to promote the government but we must not see the "gameside" as being the same thing as the RMB, the majority of people are not there.

It is the regional government's sovereign right to recruit on any medium within the South Pacific, be it by RMB or telegram or other methods.

I don't feel like it's being used much, either by the government or the MoE, that's the problem.

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This is what the project would look like.

The Charter of the South Pacific

VI. THE EXECUTIVE

Establishing an executive branch consisting of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.

(1) The Prime Minister will be the head of government and the leader of the Cabinet. lead the policies and the actions of the Cabinet, wich they will have to appoint. They will share the head of government with the delegate. They will be responsible for the overall coordination of executive activities, being a liaison between the government and the community, and protecting the Coalition.

(2) The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: World Assembly Legislation, Foreign Affairs, Culture, Engagement, and Defense.

(3) As co-leader of the Cabinet, the Prime Minister is responsible for overseeing a collective Cabinet agenda, and may give directions and instructions to the ministers. They may be assisted in this task by the Delegate. Disputes within the Cabinet are subject to the majority decision and collective responsibility; where there is no majority the Prime Minister’s vote shall be the deciding one.

(4) The Office of World Assembly Legislation will be a permanent executive office, which will be led by a Director, responsible for coordinating the Coalition's activities in the World Assembly, providing assistance in drafting resolutions, and issuing voting recommendations on World Assembly proposals. At the start of each Cabinet term, the Director will be appointed by the Prime Minister for a term coinciding with the Cabinet's. In any vacancy, a new Director will be appointed by the Prime Minister to serve the remainder of the term.

(5)(4) Members of the Executive are required to hold legislator status.


(6)(5) Executive elections appointments will be held every four three months, where the Prime Minister and all Cabinet positions will be up for election. will be appointed by the delegate. They will appoint ministers and the Cabinet will be confirmed by regional poll.

(7)(6) The date, time, and manner of elections appointments will be set by the Assembly in a law.


Minister of World Assembly Legislation

(7)The Minister of World Assembly Legislation will be responsible for coordinating the Coalition's activities in the World Assembly, providing assistance in drafting resolutions, and issuing voting recommendations on World Assembly proposals.

[...]

Executive Authorities

(15) The executive may exercise the collective authority of executive orders, by unanimous consent among the Delegate, the Prime Minister and Cabinet ministers. Executive orders may only be issued to address an immediate and pressing issue created by ambiguity or holes in a particular law, which will immediately have the effect of law.

VII. THE DELEGATE

Establishing a Head of State.

(1) The Delegate will be the head of state of the Coalition and they will share the head of government with the Prime Minister. They will be responsible for helping maintain the security of the region, promoting growth and activity, and serving as an advisor to the forum-side government.they will have to appoint the Prime Minister. Barring reasonable circumstances, the Delegate will hold the in-game Delegate seat. No person may be Delegate if they have participated, in whole or in part and at any time, in any coup d'etat of the Coalition or any of its allies, excluding normal raiding, defending, or liberation efforts as part of an organized military.

Elections Act

3. Office of the Delegate

(4) The Delegate-elect will be considered formally inaugurated upon achieving the most endorsements. Prior to inauguration, the sole responsibility of the Delegate-elect is to gather endorsements, in coordination with the incumbent Delegate and in cooperation with the Council on Regional Security. The incumbent will continue to hold the office of the Delegate and will remain responsible for all responsibilities of that office, serving out the remainder of their term, until the inauguration of the Delegate-elect. After the inauguration, the Delegate is responsible for appointing the Prime Minister.

4. Offices of the Cabinet

(1) On the first of every February, June and October, the Assembly will convene to elect the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.
January, April, July and October, the Deleguate will appoint the Prime Minister. They will then appoint the ministers of their Cabinet.
a. After the first 4 days of the election period, during which legislators may declare their candidacy and campaign for only one position, and a campaign-only period of two days, where candidates may campaign and the Assembly will debate the merits of their platforms, the Assembly will vote for 3 days.
b. For each position, the respective winner, as decided using Instant-Runoff Voting, will be declared the Minister-elect by the Election Commissioner.
Following the Cabinet appointment, the Prime Minister will face a regional poll vote. If they are not confirmed with the majority of votes, the Delegate will be responsible for appointing a new Prime Minister.

(2) The terms for the incoming Prime Minister and Cabinet ministers will begin the week after elections appointments. Before this inauguration, any and all election appointment-related disputes must be settled. The outgoing Prime Minister and Cabinet ministers will maintain their offices until then.

6. Vacancies of Office

(1) A special election will be held for vacancies arising within the Cabinet, if at least half of the term remains. If less than half of the term remains, or the position is vacant due to nobody running in its election, the Cabinet may appoint a replacement until the next regularly scheduled election.
a.In the event of a vacancy in the post of Prime Minister, the Delegate will have to appoint a new one, the Cabinet will remain in place.
b.In the event of a vacancy in a Cabinet post, the Prime Minister will appoint the successor to the vacant post.

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I really don't like the idea of making The Delegate, OWL or The Chair be "political" figures. I feel like "The Executive" should refer to the Head of Government and his Cabinet - responsible and held accountable to the Assembly.
If anything, I feel as though The Delegate, OWL and The Chair should be moved into a different category altogether and their terms extended, opposite of "The Executive" where their terms should be shortened.

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