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NES Wrote:I'm asking you to provide an example of when a military operation has led to a diplomatic crisis between Europeia and TSP. You can't give one, because there aren't any. The Liberation of Coalition of Catholic States. QuietDad Wrote:Recently, the SPSF was called in last minute to support a liberation of Coalition of Catholic States and assist a large group including The United Defenders League (UDL), Ten-Thousand-Islands-Treaty-Organisation (TITO), Spiritus Defense Force (SDF), The Rejected Realms Army (RRA), Renegade Islands Alliance Special Forces (RIASF), Taijitu Militia, Fort Triumph Marshal Service (FTMS), The Founderless Regions Alliance’s Rangers (FRA), Lazarene Liberation Army (LLA), East Pacific Sovereign Army (EPSA), South Pacific Special Forces (SPSF) and Wintreath’s Hvitt Riddiral (WHR). Some of which the SPSF has worked with before. I agreed to join them but without time, I didn't have time to check things out first. Once the nission took place, I found out that one of the occupiers was the ERN of Europia which is a treatied ally of TSP. Had I known they where there, the SPSF would not have participated. This was an error on MY part and I take full responsibility. The regional government had nothing to do with this. I offer my sincere apologies to Kraketopia and the ERN for my missteps and hope we can put this behind us.
That is not a "diplomatic crisis". That is a minor error, which was easily rectified. Europeia made no official complaint as far as I know, it was merely a gentlemanly agreement between the two military commanders. In any case, its significance is tiny compared to the argument about the conferences, which would not be mitigated in any way by not having a military.
Statements by Glen-Rhodes and yourself regarding independence have done more "diplomatic" damage to relations between Euro and TSP than any kind of military operational dispute has ever done - as you are surely well aware considering you are so well informed.
Yes, let's put all the blame for Euro-TSP bad relations on Unibot and Glen. Since Europeia's leaderaship was entirely reasonable and willing to listen during the Conferences Crisis.
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Inactive militaries have been turned around before. Europeia's Navy languished for multiple months at a time without proper leadership, but thanks to patience and long-term training, it has been turned around. I'm confident that it can be done here. Even if not now, or next month, we don't lose anything from trying. Right now, we're electing a new MoA, and we have several candidates. Clearly, we have individuals interested in a better future for the SPSF. They should be given a chance.
I think comparing TSP to Euro is like apples and oranges, considering our vastly different politics and culture. Military affairs has never been a cause célèbre in TSP.
Like I said, I'm not really willing to give a fourth, fifth, and sixth chance on a project that has never really worked all that well. Once this new MoA is elected and fails, we'll be in the same place, and people will be saying again that we just need that one perfect leader to turn things around. We've heard these tunes before.
Nor in Europeia or TNP really. And TNP I would say has a more similar culture, and they have invested a bit in their military once they could afford it, and its paid dividends. Anyway I fear we're going off track. The point is, is it worth giving up offensive military capabilities, and why?
I'm seeing Kringle and Unibot arguing for a similar thing - from two different perspectives. Unibot is talking primarily about the controversy of offensive military actions and how that isn't in our interests, so we may as well dissolve the military. Kringle is talking mainly about the resources that maintaining the military in its current form takes up, and that we need to have a much simpler system that takes less specialist skills and investment of time to run. Personally, I believe if we want to save on resources by moving to a National Guard reservist type set up, that is a possibility. But we can do that without limiting ourselves to purely delegate transfers, because that would be a major loss for the region diplomatically.
(01-25-2015, 05:44 PM)Sopo Wrote: They should be given a chance. Just like Drugged Monkeys, Southern Bellz, Geomania, QuietDad and CrimsonTideFan were given a chance? Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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(01-25-2015, 06:24 PM)Unibot Wrote:Quote:I'm seeing Kringle and Unibot arguing for a similar thing - from two different perspectives. Unibot is talking primarily about the controversy of offensive military actions and how that isn't in our interests, so we may as well dissolve the military. Kringle is talking mainly about the resources that maintaining the military in its current form takes up, and that we need to have a much simpler system that takes less specialist skills and investment of time to run. OK, let's say we follow this reasoning. Maybe TSP should also stop voting in the WA. The WA was never an important aspect of TSP, and successive administrations have failed in doing anything. Let's give up the WA entirely.
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