Ryccia, I think most of us in the region would be guilty of saying: "I want so and so gone". There are certainly a few people who have called me all sorts of names since I was elected to cabinet, the nicest of them is probably "self-serving prick".

I think there's a difference between agreeing with someone and undermining the laws of a region for your own benefit, which is what happened here.

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This ^

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Why did Tsu agree with Belschaft in IRC? Was he playing along or interested in vote stacking and removal of Glen Rhodes and Unibot?

In fact, his attitude and responses throughout the logs fit with his usual attitude when joking or not being entirely serious on IRC. He was told of the OBT plan and misinterpreted its full extent. I had already discussed this with him the moment OBT was revealed, and was satisfied with his explanation. He enjoys the full confidence of the Cabinet, and is a great Delegate.

Tsu can sometimes say things as a joke, or with the understanding that he's not serious. Especially with something as consequential and possibly illegal as removing citizens based on political differences, I seriously doubt he was being serious.

Thank you for the clarification.

Ryccia, I think most of us in the region would be guilty of saying: "I want so and so gone". There are certainly a few people who have called me all sorts of names since I was elected to cabinet, the nicest of them is probably "self-serving prick".

I think there's a difference between agreeing with someone and undermining the laws of a region for your own benefit, which is what happened here.

One thing is that you want someone gone, and another is planing a whole elaborate plan to actually eliminate them. Through lies(Im not speaking of Tsu in this sentence, just Belschaft), so he's guilty of fraud, I think.

I understand now. Thank you for your answer as well.

And putting nicknames to bully your political opponents... that's very, very wrong. I feel sad for you.

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Don't worry about it Ryccia. It's isolated to the behaviour of one person who has a history of doing it in many places to various people. The biggest issue comes when the people around this person normalise it and accept it as standard for this person - it sets a dangerous state of affairs.

As far as NS regions go, I've had it from this same person in another region, where they branded me a sexual predator because I had befriended a female player, despite this player being older than myself. This accusation was given in a public channel with about 30 other people. They then went on to accuse another person of being born disabled.

As far as behaviour like that goes, it is beyond the pale. But it's not political, so I can't use it as an example of why this person is detrimental to TSP, only that they need to learn some lessons in civility.

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01[20:24] <Bel> I like Kris, and in other circumstances I would be behind him
[20:24] <tsu> I'm quite annoyed with GR and Uni.
01[20:24] <Bel> But he's completely in hock to Uni and Glen
01[20:24] <Bel> And you know what they want, and he's giving them it

I'm assuming this is more turning-TSP-defender stuff. Unibot and I clearly suck at that.

[20:24] <tsu> Yeah ... they did a really good job of pulling in him and Escade.

I've always found this funny, because Escade and I had a very public and drawn out spat. Escade was defender-leaning before I even talked to her. If anything, Unibot and I probably made her less defender-leaning.


01[20:26] <Bel> It's the last chance we have to save the Coalition, or we'll all be living in a FRA member region

I don't know why being an FRA member region is so bad, but again, Unibot and I are pretty incompetent I guess. :\

[20:31] <tsu> Idk.  I mean -- despite everything -- Kris follows the rule of law.
[20:31] <tsu> To a fault.

This is so true


01[20:45] <Bel> The general principle is that the first side to act illegally will probably lose

Foreshadowing!!!

01[20:46] <Bel> You have root on the forums, all we lack is the Delegacy

People always forget that the whole big agreement when we moved forums is that Tsu and I would be co-roots. Now I'm not all crazy and wouldn't delete the forums if the community wanted me gone or I was charged with some bannable offense or whatever. But you were obviously assuming I was, so this is a major flaw in your plan!

01[20:46] <Bel> Get that and we could do this illegally if we *had* to
[20:46] <tsu> True.
01[20:46] <Bel> Get the cabinet majority and we can do it legally
01[20:47] <Bel> I would prefer legal, but if we have no choice I would reluctantly do it illegally tbh

And this is all we need to know for sure that Belschaft's appeal should be resoundingly denied.

[20:47] <tsu> Lets hold faith.
[20:48] <tsu> Maybe we're not being as bumrushed as we fear
[20:48] <tsu> and/or as it seems

Some sane words from Tsu. I was saying all along that those conspiracies that Unibot and I were conducting a hostile takeover had no foundation in reality.

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"self-serving prick".

Well I think that's a bit harsh and we all know you and I aren't best friends.

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Thank you Punch, I appreciate that. I don't know of very many places which tolerate the behaviour I've mentioned. I've also found that apologists for this person say that we should expect it for opposing them. I'm not sure I agree. It's why I've chosen not to stand for re-election next month as I find the environment to be unhealthy and debilitating.

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Thank you Punch, I appreciate that. I don't know of very many places which tolerate the behaviour I've mentioned. I've also found that apologists for this person say that we should expect it for opposing them. I'm not sure I agree. It's why I've chosen not to stand for re-election next month as I find the environment to be unhealthy and debilitating.

Im sorry to hear that. Its unfair to TSP that we lose a skilled diplomat as yourself because of verbal abuse. I hope you gave a change of heart from now to election time. 

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-snip-

Interesting review! Some things did make me chuckle, like the part where Escade and I where pulled by Unibot. In reality, during her delegacy we had some terrible and extremely experiences with defenders, and actually felt more comfortable with allies like TNI. Of course that changed late during my first term, due to other developments.

Belschaft seriously overestimated the supposed Defender Conspiracy. Yes, obviously Unibot would love to see TSP turn defender, but Unibot was not the Delegate, I was. I often wish people would give me more credit, and stopped assuming that I was always letting Unibot and GR determine all policy decisions. :sad:

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Well OLBT wasn't actually illegal was it? There is nothing in our CoL or Charter that says what Bel did was illegal, therefor I think that should be rectified as soon as possible.

As for if Bel's citizenship should be removed or not I changed sides again. The fact is if the Cabinet was going to remove Bel's citizenship it should have been done when we found out about OLBT, not 4 mouths later. (Well at least when it was brought to the Cabinet.) Numbing the pain only makes it worse when you finally have to confront that pain.

I don't think it was fair that Bel was striped of Citizenship, I don't even think the Cabinet should have the power to strip citizenship however that is another matter. It wasn't fair and there was no reason for it to happen. Bel's crimes should have gone though the Court and the Cabinet should not have had to take matters into it's own hands.

By the way Kris is this what you meant about "major Cabinet stuff"?

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