So do you guys want the admins to mask these people tonight, or not?

I don't think there's any legal issue with those accepted by the legal Vice Delegate, who filled out the standard citizenship application which included the oath, on the other forum prior to the coup. The applications to the convention, which weren't accepted by the Vice Delegate and also didn't contain the oath, are legally questionable and those applicants should need to reapply.

My two cents anyway.

I think this is a reasonable course of action. Imki passed me the official citizenship sheet, so I think those who were masked prior to the dissolution of the Charter can be masked.

The othe apps can wait for the VD which I'll appoint as soon as the vote closes.

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All those who had their citizenship applications accepted by Imki on Hileville's forum, prior to the coup, have been masked here, if I could find a corresponding account.

All others will have to wait until after the resolution passes and Tsu either appoints a VD or somebody else to manage citizenship.

And just for the historical record, in case this ever happens again and somebody comes across this post: this is not a strictly legal action (ie. there is legal ambiguity not settled by the court) and should not be considered precedent of any kind in the future.

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All those who had their citizenship applications accepted by Imki on Hileville's forum, prior to the coup, have been masked here, if I could find a corresponding account.

All others will have to wait until after the resolution passes and Tsu either appoints a VD or somebody else to manage citizenship.

And just for the historical record, in case this ever happens again and somebody comes across this post: this is not a strictly legal action (ie. there is legal ambiguity not settled by the court) and should not be considered precedent of any kind in the future.

I believe you may have missed an account.

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All those who had their citizenship applications accepted by Imki on Hileville's forum, prior to the coup, have been masked here, if I could find a corresponding account.

All others will have to wait until after the resolution passes and Tsu either appoints a VD or somebody else to manage citizenship.

And just for the historical record, in case this ever happens again and somebody comes across this post: this is not a strictly legal action (ie. there is legal ambiguity not settled by the court) and should not be considered precedent of any kind in the future.

I believe you may have missed an account.

It's here, Glen, for the record. I would imagine the omission was because Todd isn't masked as a convention member on that forum, as he declined to participate in the coup convention (coupvention!).

(This post was last modified: 02-06-2016, 10:25 PM by Cormac.)

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Nah, I just accidentally skipped him. Should be masked now.


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Thanks.

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Honestly, guys, what you're raking us over the coals for is literally everything. Admins are now damned if we do and damned it we don't.

I locked that thread above because it became nothing but people personally attacking each other not a "vibrant discussion" as you're claiming. Moreover, as soon as you raised the issue, I took care of it and opened the Assembly.

No one is more unhappy that if this taking time than me. But, I resent the fact that I'm now being egged into making a bunch of unilateral decisions so people can later complain about them. I didn't ask to be in the situation -- I was handed by default because no one wanted to follow the law originally.

I've asked the other administrators to mask the citizen's Imki had previously approved, which I imagine they will do as soon as possible.

For the rest of the applications, you're free to either wait for me to appoint a vice delegate or use the Assembly to nominate someone to process them -- as I suggested. I'm not going to be a piñata.

Okay, you feel burned, I am personally sorry about that.

But this attitude of "damned if we do, damned if we don't" doesn't fly with me. The administrative team is under intense scrutiny for what they have done. I understand you feel like you're between a rock and a hard place, but don't you think all the citizens who are subject to your decisions (both good and bad, some cases very bad) feel the same way?

My comment, as I tried to make clear, was not made with mal-intent. It was just my perspective, and a suggestion on why this might not be a "little deal." You can take it or leave it, but please don't pretend as if it was my intention to make you a pinata (or any other kind of birthday decor for that matter   ).

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With all due respect, nobody ever approaches us in a calm manner to try and work things out. Every time something happens we are always treated like the devil. It would be awesome if just this one time we were treated like actual people. We have been saying again and again for the past few days that it is time to disagree without tearing each other apart. It goes both ways.

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I honestly agree with Kringalia. The impatience over what has been a reasonable delay in processing citizenship applications, after a major crisis, has been too far. Obviously there are going to be some delays while the chaos that has occurred in the past few days is resolved and made right, and everyone figures out how best to proceed. That's just how it goes in a situation like this.

I don't think anyone has intended it to come across the way it has, but we have to realize after what's just happened that tensions are high and people are going to be more sensitive than usual to things they perceive as an attack. We just need to be cautious in how we treat each other moving forward and try to be more patient and civil with each other.

(This post was last modified: 02-07-2016, 01:21 AM by Cormac.)

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With all due respect, nobody ever approaches us in a calm manner to try and work things out. Every time something happens we are always treated like the devil. It would be awesome if just this one time we were treated like actual people. We have been saying again and again for the past few days that it is time to disagree without tearing each other apart. It goes both ways.

Can you explain to me how this matter was not handled in a calm manner? I'm not sure how bringing the issue to someone's attention, and disagreeing with another person's opinion = treating someone like the devil. 

Furthermore, in my first post in this thread I was speaking far more broadly than just this one problem. I think I phrased my posts as tactfully as humanely possible while still bringing up my points at all. If you believe that asking people to silence their opinions completely is a better option than respectfully hearing them out in an open forum, I strongly disagree. One would think, given the last few weeks events, this would absolutely be the time to discuss fundamental problems with this region's structure.

I honestly agree with Kringalia. The impatience over what has been a reasonable delay in processing citizenship applications, after a major crisis, has been too far. Obviously there are going to be some delays while the chaos that has occurred in the past few days is resolved and made right, and everyone figures out how best to proceed. That's just how it goes in a situation like this.

My posts were about far more than just this one delay, and I am v v v v v v curious as to how they are "too far."

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(This post was last modified: 02-07-2016, 01:31 AM by HEM.)

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