| CSS Recall of Sam111 |
He -as you have in the past - stepped back from the community to allow tempers to cool, arguments to die down. I have been in contact with him regularly over the last few weeks, as I have been with Imkitopia.
Sam took steps to contact the Delegate of TSPs oldest and closest treaty ally to try and seek help in stopping an already dangerous situation but at his request I said nothing (sorry Sam but needs meet must). I want it on record that he sought to try and help right that wrong but felt powerless and unsure of how to act. Beyond that, taking time and space to recover from a stressful experience is perfectly acceptable and normal - and this story would have been heard had anyone sought out his side of it.
I hope he feels less stressed to allow him to return to the South Pacific, same with Imkitopia. They were both excellent TSPers, just heavily involved in the coup.
-- That being said, and tangentially related to this recall, I would like to have the Great Council have something relating to what must occur post-coup, as the past few weeks have been a mess. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
ProfessorHenn
Legislator
I'd also like to go on record apologising for being so busy (I'm a carer for a disabled relative) that I forgot to actually tell Tsunamy about this. I honestly thought I had, but checking our conversation history has just revealed that I didn't and I know I didn't mention it during our latest voice chat.
I do hold a few questions for Sam, but for a much different time.
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ProfessorHenn
Legislator
For a lot of reasons, I've been trying to stay out of this thread -- and will likely moving forward as well.
I do want to go on record though saying that I appreciate the info from Raven. TNP played a huge hand in trying to mitigate and mend fences during the whole fiasco, so knowing he reached out to a trusted ally is helpful. Also, I've talked to both Sam and Imki and encouraged them both to come and share their feelings with the Assembly. As Henn said, they were both excellent TSPers and I'd love to them to still be involved. I think their feelings would be a difficult but useful self reflection for everyone (myself included!) and could really help us figure out how better to fix things moving forward.
-tsunamy
[forum admin]
(02-29-2016, 11:05 AM)Wolf Wrote:(02-11-2016, 01:26 PM)Siberian Wrote: Shouldn't Sam still be on the WFE though? Siberian was referring to an old WFE where I asked people to endorse Kris, Far and Glen. That doesn't mean I've removed Sam nor have done anything without legal standing.
-tsunamy
[forum admin]
As someone who observed the events of the last month or so from the outside, and have now joined the region, I think reconciliation is a good thing. To that end, I suggest reconsidering the language used to describe recent events. In particular, the term "coup." I understand the use of that word, but it is highly emotive, and I would argue not wholly accurate in this case.
The word coup typically refers to the seizing of power by violent means. In a NationStates context, I posit it means to seize control of a Delegacy or a regional government in an extra-legal manner. However, what happened here was a legally elected cabinet exceeded their authority in trying establish a new forum and remove certain opposition from the region. The negative reactions of those impacted is certainly justified, but at the point we have now reached, I suggest that more measured language will better serve the purposes of reconciliation and minimizing the damage to the region. The elected government exceeded its authority, but ultimately, the system worked. The Court ruled on the matter, and public pressure forced a resolution. From speaking to some of those involved, I know that in at least the majority of cases, people were acting in good faith. It doesn't serve us moving forward to fuel distrust by labeling everyone involved as "coupers." If Sam and Imki want to return and dedicate themselves to the Great Council process, I think they will provide valuable insight as people who clearly felt certain changes were needed, and we should welcome them.
This was going to come up eventually, but given the rules for recalls, this vote must happen. As such, it's important for CSS members to make their statements. So here's mine.
I support this recall. No matter what you feel about Sam personally, the truth is that he went along with an obviously illegal move, without consulting the CSS, let alone the Assembly. Even if he remains, I will not trust him in the future. That bridge cannot be rebuilt by somebody who has yet to even apologize and acknowledge he betrayed the trust of the entire community. Not only did he align with Hileville in the illegal and unilateral forum move, he actively participated in the coup by ejecting his own CSS colleagues. Yes, it was a coup. Trying to newspeak that away is an insult to those of us who remained resilient and defended the Coalition. Reconciliation does not mean erasing history and refusing to label people for what they did. Sam engaged in a coup, along with Imki and Hileville. It doesn't matter what the motivations were-- deeply disliking or distrusting members of the Admin team isn't an excuse for throwing out our laws like you own the region. Reconciliation means accepting and acknowledging wrongdoing and blame for that wrongdoing. It means contrition, paired with an intent to move forward and heal. Reconciliation was when we didn't immediately ban Sam and Imki, and to allow them citizenship and to permit them to come back and have a part in making decisions about our future. To further exonerate them from what they did is grotesque and will only sow further seeds of discord. Actions must have consequences. Sam cannot remain a member of the body charged with preventing and responding to the exact thing he did-- a coup. Keeping him on the team when most of it doesn't trust him anymore will lead to dysfunction. It is only because we cannot expel our own members that he remains on the CSS, necessitating a recall vote in the Assembly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
My comments were not meant to be in opposition to the recall. I think after the events in question, it is entirely reasonable to remove those involved from the CSS. The Cabinet exceeded their authority, and there is now reasonable concerns that they and their supporters should not have access to the highest levels of power until they have re-proved themselves.
My comments were entirely directed to the appropriateness of the term "coup" and the harm it may cause. The term typically denotes one who is not in control of government seizing control of government. In contrast, here we have a legitimate government exceeding its authority. This is more a question of abuse of power than a coup. I think this is more than semantics. The term "coup" is highly loaded in NationStates. In view of that, I think it's important to be cautious in its use. |
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