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(03-18-2016, 02:10 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I think people in the region are more interested, and care more, than you give them credit for Glen. Their opinions are as important as yours or mine; they're just not as dedicated as we are. We aren't as dedicated for two reasons that I have noticed.. 1) Alot of us actually want to get involved, the only problem is that we feel that the more important/well known/powerful people totally gloss over our argument in the debate. This happens to me all the time, I just know to keep trying to get my word out. To fix this, the people higher up just need to acknowledge their argument, and address it. 2) The Forums are so big and deep. When I came to TSP two years ago, I came to the website and was immediately overwhelmed with all the branches I could take, and got lost trying to figure out where to go. I actually gave up and stopped trying to figure it out for a month. I only came back because I decided to try again. To fix this, You need to fix the Home screen. Think about using the North Pacific welcome page (I really like it), its got an overview of the region, a brief description, links to places where NEWCOMERS need to go, and how to easily be active. Fix these things and you will see activity go through the roof. -Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions -Legislator 2/24/20- -High Court Justice 6/7/20- -South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20- -Minister of Engagement 6/17/22- -Past Roles/Positions -Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18 -Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21 -Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17 -Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18 -Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17 -Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and 2/26/16-7/3/2016
I'm pretty unorthodox in my view on this, but fundamentally I don't think the in-game Delegate matters much, if at all, to what we do here. The most disruptive element of Hileville's coup was moving forums and banning his vocal opponents. Who held the actual position of Delegate only mattered insomuch that Hileville cared about it, and without it he couldn't advertise his forums on the WFE. I suppose control over WFE is the one important link offsite communities need to have with their game side counterparts.
To me, you're arguing something that's totally separate from our community here, though. In-game activity is a different beast from forum activity. We're talking two populations with different interests and different opinions on what's fun about NS. So when you talk about the forum community having a responsibility to "include" the game side, that's not really the message that you just gave. I agree that it's beneficial to have a large base of game side players who care about keeping a legitimate delegate in power. Where I disagree is that I don't think the key to that is interest in regional government. The best way, I suppose, is to give them a part of the say in choosing the delegate. But I wouldn't expect that to translate into any further interest, and I'm not sure that's a bad trend for our future. You do, and I see why, though. @ griffondor13: I've agreed for a long time that our forums are too big. We have way too many subforums. Way too many specialized forums. We shouldn't *have* to write a guide on how to use them. It should be intuitive. Unfortunately, whenever admins have tried to come up with alternative structures, people always want their special forums and their private forums and their niche forums. We have a hard time just saying no and doing what admins think is best, for obvious reasons I imagine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Everyone can still have the subfourms that they want, it just shouldn't be displayed on the front page where the new people will be overwhelmed.
-Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions -Legislator 2/24/20- -High Court Justice 6/7/20- -South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20- -Minister of Engagement 6/17/22- -Past Roles/Positions -Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18 -Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21 -Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17 -Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18 -Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17 -Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and 2/26/16-7/3/2016
Two things we could "try" to get answers with.
1. A post on the WFE asking "What can be done to get the RMB more active in the government?Post your replies on the RMB" or some such wording 2. Opening up some of the subforums as read only ro non citizens and posting links directly to areas with TItles like "Like to Role play?", "Like to get involved with the goevernment?" "Like to get involved reaching out to other regions?" "Like to get involved with the gameplay arena with raiding and defending othe regions? and such. We've tried many times to guess what people want to get involved with or why they're not getting along, maybe we should just ask. As far as the delegate not being important as to what we do here, maybe it's not, but it needs to stay "controlled". We don't need someone outside here getting control and, playing around, start banning citizens, not realizing the issues it would create here and creating a situation for ANOTHER Grand council tp deal with it. Personal feelings is the government we have basically works fine. We've been the same 10-15 people for a LOOOOONG time going thru this and the recent issues came about over forum management and not the way we do this here. People just need to put their egos at the door. 4000+ nations in the region. Who gives a shit if someone wants to get involved in something we don't find entertaining Let them play. Need to start looking at getting people involved and not getting involved at what we like doing.
I think whenever we've asked, the most vocal response we get is basically get rid of forum government and move everything to the game side.
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Well, if that's the case, then we're never gonna find a solution. We all started as issue and endo noobs, reading the RMB and occasionally making a post. If that's what is wanted, you can't drag them here and make them count to 1000. My feeling is the people only playing gameside only read about this area on the gameside forums and the only time we get there is when shit breaks loose here. Maybe it's time to get some RP or spam stuff on the gameside fourums. The new attempt at a newspaper maybe needs to be posted gameside too. Need to let them see this, not drag them in and tell them what to do
(03-20-2016, 01:24 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: I'm pretty unorthodox in my view on this, but fundamentally I don't think the in-game Delegate matters much, if at all, to what we do here. The most disruptive element of Hileville's coup was moving forums and banning his vocal opponents. Who held the actual position of Delegate only mattered insomuch that Hileville cared about it, and without it he couldn't advertise his forums on the WFE. I suppose control over WFE is the one important link offsite communities need to have with their game side counterparts. (03-20-2016, 02:00 PM)QuietDad Wrote: As far as the delegate not being important as to what we do here, maybe it's not, but it needs to stay "controlled". We don't need someone outside here getting control and, playing around, start banning citizens, not realizing the issues it would create here and creating a situation for ANOTHER Grand council tp deal with it. These arguments right here. This is what I've been trying to say for months now. We need a delegate that is going to respect and adhere to the offsite government and to do that, we need the support of the in-game community. We can talk until we're blue in the face about everything else (and, I'd argue that have been) but these are the hard truths of NS. I'll reiterate that I think we need to be as open and inclusive as possible. And, I think having more connections between here and the in-game region can only help make both stronger. However, all more superfluous arguments aside, I think we can all agree that the above is important.
-tsunamy
[forum admin]
(03-20-2016, 01:35 PM)griffindor13 Wrote: Everyone can still have the subfourms that they want, it just shouldn't be displayed on the front page where the new people will be overwhelmed. We had determined a bit about how to revamp the forum, but that sort of got derailed. I'm not sure if this is something we should tackle at the same time as the GC or wait until after? However, maybe doing it now would be a good idea because less it happening outside of the GC area.
-tsunamy
[forum admin]
If you choose to do "WA Only" polls, you're discounting all SPSF soldiers who ate participating in missions. They won't be able to vote because their doing something for the region.
(03-20-2016, 07:23 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:(03-20-2016, 01:35 PM)griffindor13 Wrote: Everyone can still have the subfourms that they want, it just shouldn't be displayed on the front page where the new people will be overwhelmed. I'm for getting the forum revamped and fixed ASAP, it will work against us until then. While it may not be fixable by an amendment to the charter thus not eligible to be talked about here, it is a problem that has been identified under the forum named the same thing (Identification of Problems). I think it would be best if it happened now though. -Griffindor/Ebonhand
-Current Roles/Positions -Legislator 2/24/20- -High Court Justice 6/7/20- -South Pacific Coral Guard 11/17/20- -Minister of Engagement 6/17/22- -Past Roles/Positions -Legislator 7/3/16-4/10/18 -Secretary of State 4/3/20-2/24/21 -Chair of the APC 9/24/16-5/31/17 -Vice-Chair of the APC 6/1/17-4/10/18 -Local Council Member 7/1/17-11/17/17 -Citizen 5/2012-12/2014 and 2/26/16-7/3/2016 |
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