[Draft] Judicial Act (to replace Judiciary Act and Court Procedures Act) |
I've had this lying around a while, and I think now is the right time to bring it out. This is a full replacement for the Court Procedures Act and the Judiciary Act, and brings with it several nifty features:
This is part of a full judicial reform thing I have been drafting on and off for quite some time; I figured the time is right to release this part since it fixes this issue and is just better in general. Special thanks to Glen/Sandaoguo and Griffin (and maybe others I'm forgetting right now) for constructive feedback and ideas. Here goes: Quote:Judicial Act
Cool. It clears up most of the stuff people have complained about. Seems alright.
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This needs to be reformatted for compliance with the Law Standards Act, @Roavin. I would be happy to help with that if needed.
I will take a better look at this and offer more substantive comment within the next day or two.
I haven't had a chance to review, but I'll post a few of my earlier comments:
1. I'm opposed to the seconds on a Legal Question. They will improve little. Even in the three Justice days it was largely mindless approving whoever wrote a draft first with virtually no revision. With two Justices you'll get mostly either already agreed and approved, or two contradictory opinions and stalemate. 2. Legal Question appeals. The procedure we have now is basically non-existent and this is still less than that. We need a how and what they do. For a simple example, currently they can either uphold the verdict or restart everything. It might be worth adding a third option to simply amend rather than redoing everything. 3. I'm opposed to voting on pool justices. The pool is basically a non-position and it only politicizes the process. The names already require the approval of the Cabinet and Justice so it's not like it is done by a shadow cabal or anything. If my misadventures in Cabinet communication and some poorly qualified existing pool justices are any indication though I am absolutely open to a new process. 4. "Seniority". Right now it's undefined what happens when two or more justices are added at the same time. Even now the current roster was all appointed at the same time so by current definitions the order is technically at will. I think there is also merit in a manually set order though, allowing the more qualified names to always be called first. For accountability require the order to have been set prior to the start of the case. Also for general accountability make is so records of changes to roster or order are required to be publicly listed. 5. Removing pool justices. There's no comment on this, and as I want to redo the current list it leaves some ambiguity in my ability to do so. I think the procedure should be largely the same as adding, currently by Cabinet and Justice. Given the trust involved it should be easier to remove names than add them, maybe even by either party supporting their removal. I'm also open to recalling from the pool, preferably with additional rules to prevent immediate reappointment. 6. The most controversial: removing legislator requirements for the Court. There is a fundamental contradiction in what TSP wants from Judicial candidates. The region wants a candidate completely uninvolved in regional politics, yet we require them to stay involved in regional with the legislator requirements for Permanent and pool Justices. (Abstaining on everything is an option, but what's the point of voting then?) Removing this requirement (still require residency or such) would also broaden the available candidates and allow more individuals who are objective and qualified to be involved with our Judiciary.
"Objective" is not the same as "knowledgeable." And if you're not here, then you aren't knowledgeable about our laws or their legislative histories.
(05-02-2017, 03:54 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: "Objective" is not the same as "knowledgeable." And if you're not here, then you aren't knowledgeable about our laws or their legislative histories. The suggestion was based more on my perception of the region than my personal feelings. The region has seemed to want people disconnected from regional politics, something fundamentally contradictory to the legislator requirements.
No, "the region" doesn't want that at all. Nobody knows what "the region" wants. A handful of people on Discord don't want me or Belschaft or Roavin or whoever as a judge on cases they care about, because it's all good and fun until it's somebody who really knows what's going on and hasn't always been your friend. Let's talk about TSP like it's the game that it is.
Either we have people who actually know things. Or we have "objective" people who don't even play the game. Why not outsource this to another region altogether, for ultimate objectivity, if we're going to measure that by how distant you are from TSP's forums?
(05-01-2017, 09:48 PM)Cormac Wrote: This needs to be reformatted for compliance with the Law Standards Act, @Roavin. I would be happy to help with that if needed. Ah yes, thank you for pointing it out again. I'll do the reformatting when I write up the next iteration, should be easy. (05-02-2017, 08:46 AM)Farengeto Wrote: 1. I'm opposed to the seconds on a Legal Question. They will improve little. Even in the three Justice days it was largely mindless approving whoever wrote a draft first with virtually no revision. With two Justices you'll get mostly either already agreed and approved, or two contradictory opinions and stalemate. Well first, this was the tradeoff made with APC. They wanted a full three-Justice bench for LQs as well, though I know you and I both agree that's not a good idea. The language is deliberately written such that any pool justice can do, so in practice you can just look who's online in Discord, say "hey can you look over and sign off", and be done with it. If there are disagreements, it's worth having the discussion, and if all else fails the PJ can just ask another pool justice >_> (05-02-2017, 08:46 AM)Farengeto Wrote: 2. Legal Question appeals. The procedure we have now is basically non-existent and this is still less than that. We need a how and what they do. For a simple example, currently they can either uphold the verdict or restart everything. It might be worth adding a third option to simply amend rather than redoing everything. Erm ... it's pretty much the same procedure, just rephrased better. Old: (7)The Opinion may only be appealed on grounds of violation of procedural due process, a contradiction of law, or judicial misconduct. (8) If the Petitioner files an appeal, an appellate Justice from the Pool of Justices will deliberate the validity of the appeal and decide to rehear the case or uphold the original Opinion. (9) The Opinion on an appeal is final and may not be further appealed, except in cases of extreme judicial misconduct. New: 6. After the Opinion is delivered, it may be appealed by the Petitioner or an invested party on grounds of process violations, contradictions of law, or judicial misconduct. In this case, a Pool Justice shall enter active duty to serve as Appellate Justice for the purpose of either delivering a revised opinion or upholding the original opinion. The Appellate Opinion may not be appealed. Also, what's missing from the procedure, in your opinion? (05-02-2017, 08:46 AM)Farengeto Wrote: 3. I'm opposed to voting on pool justices. The pool is basically a non-position and it only politicizes the process. The names already require the approval of the Cabinet and Justice so it's not like it is done by a shadow cabal or anything. If my misadventures in Cabinet communication and some poorly qualified existing pool justices are any indication though I am absolutely open to a new process. It's not a direct vote, but rather it's the disapproval vote that the old law has for the Permanent Justice. Rationale: In this draft, the Permanent Justice is no longer appointed+presented for a disapproval vote directly, as it is now, but rather the next Permanent Justice is drawn from the Pool when needed. Therefore, that disapproval vote was moved from the Permanent Justice to the Pool Justices. I'm ambivalent about it though. If people prefer it gone, fine with me. (05-02-2017, 08:46 AM)Farengeto Wrote: 4. "Seniority". Right now it's undefined what happens when two or more justices are added at the same time. Even now the current roster was all appointed at the same time so by current definitions the order is technically at will. I think there is also merit in a manually set order though, allowing the more qualified names to always be called first. For accountability require the order to have been set prior to the start of the case. Also for general accountability make is so records of changes to roster or order are required to be publicly listed. When we picked a batch of pool justices during my MoRA term, we decided on the order. The procedural justification was that the pool justices we picked are considered to have been placed on the pool in the order we stated, such that they would be selected again from the pool in that order as well. I don't see an issue with "adding at the same time", therefore. Regarding seniority, "seniority on the pool" is what is meant. I'll clarify that a bit more in the next iteration. Now, manually adjusting the order could be done, sure. Should that be subject to a cabinet+PJ discussion as well, just as pool justice nominations? If people like this idea, I'll see if I can whip up some language for that in the next iteration. (05-02-2017, 08:46 AM)Farengeto Wrote: 5. Removing pool justices. There's no comment on this, and as I want to redo the current list it leaves some ambiguity in my ability to do so. I think the procedure should be largely the same as adding, currently by Cabinet and Justice. Given the trust involved it should be easier to remove names than add them, maybe even by either party supporting their removal. I'm also open to recalling from the pool, preferably with additional rules to prevent immediate reappointment. We didn't have that before either - good point, though. I'll add that in the next iteration. (05-02-2017, 08:46 AM)Farengeto Wrote: 6. The most controversial: removing legislator requirements for the Court. There is a fundamental contradiction in what TSP wants from Judicial candidates. The region wants a candidate completely uninvolved in regional politics, yet we require them to stay involved in regional with the legislator requirements for Permanent and pool Justices. (Abstaining on everything is an option, but what's the point of voting then?) Removing this requirement (still require residency or such) would also broaden the available candidates and allow more individuals who are objective and qualified to be involved with our Judiciary. Hm. Interesting. I'll have to think about this a bit more. Probably won't change this in the very next iteration, I'll wait and see how the discussion on this unfolds.
I'm not a huge fan of our current set up, but I'm not sure if this is any better either.
I've been considering a permanent council set up, similar to the CRS, where serving on the judiciary doesn't affect separation of powers. That would probably help with finding enough people to staff the judiciary. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
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My proposal should (hopefully) be better either way than what we have because it's mostly based on it but tries to clean it up and fix the millions of holes.
However, Bel, that's a very interesting idea. I'll have to think about that a bit more. That's a bigger change tho. |
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