[DISCUSSION] Ban on DM Campaigning |
(04-05-2019, 11:11 PM)Bzerneleg Wrote: Although DM campaigning is a legitimate concern that a lot of us have, we would still have to accept it as a part of our political life. It is very admirable of North Prarie to be raising this issue in the Assembly, however there is little to none that we can do in terms of regulating this. The fact that it takes a lot of time to enforce these rules is not the biggest issue. The biggest issue here is, as Kurnugia mentioned before, that it directly contradicts the rights and freedoms we all have as South Pacificans. Frankly, it's not that hard. It'd be the same as a bribery charge. I wasn't asked permission when Nakari shared my private dms in court ??♂️ Midwesterner. Political nerd. Chipotle enthusiast.
Minister of Culture of the South Pacific // Former Prime Minister (04-06-2019, 12:17 AM)Bzerneleg Wrote:(04-06-2019, 12:14 AM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote: Considering that Forumside dudes tend to not be clueless, I doubt this would do anything useful Forumside. Gameside, though, this could probably work so we don't have *that* again. All of this wouldn't apply to the LC though, would it? I thought they regulate their own elections.
Former Associate Justice of the High Court of the South Pacific (4 December 2019 to 5 February 2021)
I'm not sure how Concrete Slab "DM'd his way onto the LC".
In the last election I only message people when they voted for me, thanking them for their vote, and letting them know that they would likely receive in game telegrams asking them to change their vote, and avoid playing vote trading games and just vote their conscience, and after I won the first round I again TG'd the nations that voted for me, thanked them, and endorsed Slab and Auphelia Would such telegrams be considered illegal under such a proposal? And seriously how would anyone enforce this game side?
Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services (04-06-2019, 12:56 AM)North Prarie Wrote:(04-05-2019, 11:11 PM)Bzerneleg Wrote: Although DM campaigning is a legitimate concern that a lot of us have, we would still have to accept it as a part of our political life. It is very admirable of North Prarie to be raising this issue in the Assembly, however there is little to none that we can do in terms of regulating this. The fact that it takes a lot of time to enforce these rules is not the biggest issue. The biggest issue here is, as Kurnugia mentioned before, that it directly contradicts the rights and freedoms we all have as South Pacificans. Bribeing is also far more malicious than mere campaigning. Leaking always has to be proportional. Also, I would like a response to my previous post.
So, this type of proposal comes up from time to time. And, I'm always on the fence about it, but normally it comes down to a practicality situation. How can we possibly enforce it fairly?
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I am rather unsure about this bill. While I think the bill itself is well-intentioned, I suspect the word 'accessible' is a wrong choice. Nat and Rebs have both previously touched on the subject but DMs and TGs are technically accessible to every member. Perhaps a change to 'utilised' would be more appropriate?
(04-06-2019, 01:53 AM)Nat Wrote:(04-06-2019, 12:17 AM)Bzerneleg Wrote:(04-06-2019, 12:14 AM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote: Considering that Forumside dudes tend to not be clueless, I doubt this would do anything useful Forumside. Gameside, though, this could probably work so we don't have *that* again. I believe you are correct. The LC has its own laws. Edit: I am being really pedantic here ... but could the OP please be edited to the following? (I changed the dashes to period marks ... and added a period to the last sentence of the Criminal Code amendment.)
Ok; looks like the definitions may be a bit fuzzy; maybe this? Just brainstorming.
Elections Act Wrote: Legislative Procedure Act Wrote: Criminal Code Wrote: I'm open to compromise here; my goal is to stop people using DM campaigning to get their way without limiting freedoms of speech or expression. Midwesterner. Political nerd. Chipotle enthusiast.
Minister of Culture of the South Pacific // Former Prime Minister
I could see myself supporting this if it's enforceable and not a real-world privacy issue.
I fully support this, although I´m not sure how it would be enforced.
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It’s enforceable on the basis that if you TG someone they might report you, put I’m not sure if this is practical or a good idea - I don’t think banning private conversations about elections is a good idea, which this effectively does. If I was running for Delegate and contacted Tsu asking for his support I would be in breach of this.
I think what people want to ban is people TG’ing people they don’t know, right? So you wouldn’t be able to TG a hundred random WA nations asking them to vote for you but could contact people you knew via DM/PM/TG to ask for their support. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
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