Whilst what is transpiring in TEP might turn to be in poor taste, I do not believe this justifies breaking an alliance, not yet.

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I don't think the actions in TEP are just "in poor taste". If we had leaders here in TSP who used that language to divide us and purge our citizens, I'd like to think we'd think more of it than just calling it "in poor taste". That doesn't mean I'm calling for any dissolution of the alliance (or arguing against it, in any case), but I do think it's a serious understatement to dismissively call it just acting "in poor taste".

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I don't think the actions in TEP are just "in poor taste". If we had leaders here in TSP who used that language to divide us and purge our citizens, I'd like to think we'd think more of it than just calling it "in poor taste". That doesn't mean I'm calling for any dissolution of the alliance (or arguing against it, in any case), but I do think it's a serious understatement to dismissively call it just acting "in poor taste".

But ... are they citizens? This is one way that NS and RL do not connect. Ejecting nations that are going to CTE in two weeks because they will likely never be logged into again isn't the same as purging a community. I'm not suggesting we do it here, but if the goal is a more active region v. a roaster of never used nations waiting to die, I'd take the former.

(That said, I think it might be worth it to gently suggest they made it one of the three requirements; making people become citizens or joint the WA seems a bit overkill as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not concerned about ejecting inactive nations.)

Finally, my point, again, is that we shouldn't get bogged down with this when there are bigger things going on in TEP.

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I think my concern would arise from the existence of an incredibly small legislature that the delegate has complete control over who can and cannot join. That coupled with the delegates choice of new legislators and it just doesn't look like TEP will be democratic by the end of summer. That is not a valid reason to break the treaty but the reason to watch carefully.

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But ... are they citizens? This is one way that NS and RL do not connect. Ejecting nations that are going to CTE in two weeks because they will likely never be logged into again isn't the same as purging a community.

See, I don't think that should be at all relevant here. What bothers me is the rhetoric that is being used, which isn't what I would expect from an ally of the South Pacific:

we know marsupials are lazy and stupid freeloading pouch riders that use up resources and contribute nothing.

Marsupials never go here to join the World Assembly

Marsupials never apply for citizenship here

Marsupials like to keep the default flag, the Aboriginal Australian flag.

Death to marsupials. Glory to the East.

the evil scourge known as "marsupials"

vow to take the necessary actions to stomp these vile creatures out of existence and send them back to the depths of hell from which they came

These disgusting creatures, which shove their under-developed neonates into belly sacks lined with fat, are responsible for an untold number of diseases and wars.

In addition to being revolting

I know part of it is roleplay and exaggeration. I don't think that makes the point any less valid: this is an ally of ours, a region with which we have a treaty, discriminating its non-citizen residents and using them as scapegoats to be hunted. I'm not saying the step should be to dissolve the alliance; we have a Cabinet and I trust them to take a measured and appropriate response, but I don't like the suggestion I've seen here that what's going on in TEP regarding "marsupials" is in any way acceptable. Is that the kind of behaviour we, as a region, condone from our allies?

if the goal is a more active region v. a roaster of never used nations waiting to die, I'd take the former.

I think that's a faulty logic. Reducing your pool of possible active nations doesn't make your region any more active, it just increases the percentage of active nations; as would happen in a case of 2 active nations out of 200 vs 2 active nations out of 20. Obviously you'll have a higher percentage in the latter, but you still only have 2 active nations.

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Why in the world of TSP is ANY of what he said okie? RP or not?? We have a number of nations HERE in TSP that quietly go about their business and are never bothered or participate, should we get rid of them? Some have been here for Ages. If this were a UCR - sure within reason run your region how you see fit. However this is a GCR and they should know by now how things work. They are being *insert rude words here* and that is NOT okie.

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I think that's a faulty logic. Reducing your pool of possible active nations doesn't make your region any more active, it just increases the percentage of active nations; as would happen in a case of 2 active nations out of 200 vs 2 active nations out of 20. Obviously you'll have a higher percentage in the latter, but you still only have 2 active nations.

I think it's worth noting that if anything, this measure can only reduce the total amount of activity. After all, who is to say those 180 nations will do absolutely nothing.

It's not even a stretch to suggest that. You could be actively be answering issues, actively posting on the RMB. But despite that if you don't join the WA you could still be banned as a "marsupial". The net result being a loss of activity.

And for the point Tsu made, if they're going to CTE soon anyway, then what's the point? Give it a couple weeks and NS will do the job for you, without forcing the region to waste time and influence on it.

All it does is weaken the region by purging potential activity and draining influence from our security. Not to mention how deplorable some of that rhetoric is.

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I agree with Farengeto's points. Instead of simply purging these so-called "marsupials", there should be programs to increase gameside activity just like here in TSP. This is a rather disappointing government move, especially from a feeder (or sinker?), where many new nations are born and should be given a welcoming environment.

Also, my question from before remains unanswered - are constitutional arguments valid points?

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*snip*

Having read these excerpts of Fedele's characterisations, it strikes me as disturbingly similar to the rhetoric used against groups of persecuted minorities.

These disgusting creatures, which shove their under-developed neonates into belly sacks lined with fat, are responsible for an untold number of diseases and wars.

You could quite realistically imagine this passage in a 1930s newspaper.

While I cast no aspersion as to the underlining motivations of those responsible for this IC campaign, it is surprising that no person in a position of authority stepped in to stop this narrative from proceeding simply on grounds of historical similarity.

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To add context, mass ejections are classic move for regions backsliding into iron-fist rule. And legally, TEP grants the right to be in the region (come and go as they please) to *all* nations, not just citizens.


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