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~~Whole India~~ · 08-31-2020, 11:06 AM

(08-31-2020, 09:31 AM)Tsunamy Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 07:44 AM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 11:02 PM)North Prarie Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 10:39 PM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 07:34 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: Lose status and reapply when he comes back

I feel people who are citizens i.e legislator shouldn't lose their status unless their nation ceases to exist

Then we would have a legislator roster of hundreds of people, 75% of which are inactive. That's a logistical nightmare and makes us look bad.
So I think we should have citizens and their citizenship expires if their nations ceases and legislator status should be a different thing.

They ... are? I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here?

I am saying we need Legislator and Citizen both status to be separated. This may not be the correct place, but just keeping the suggestion on table.

**Farengeto** · 08-31-2020, 11:11 AM

(08-31-2020, 11:06 AM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 09:31 AM)Tsunamy Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 07:44 AM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 11:02 PM)North Prarie Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 10:39 PM)Whole India Wrote: I feel people who are citizens i.e legislator shouldn't lose their status unless their nation ceases to exist

Then we would have a legislator roster of hundreds of people, 75% of which are inactive. That's a logistical nightmare and makes us look bad.
So I think we should have citizens and their citizenship expires if their nations ceases and legislator status should be a different thing.

They ... are? I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here?
I am saying we need Legislator and Citizen both status to be separated. This may not be the correct place, but just keeping the suggestion on table.

They... already are? Have been for almost five years.

Seriously, have you even read any of our laws?

~~Whole India~~ · 08-31-2020, 11:30 AM

(08-31-2020, 11:11 AM)Farengeto Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 11:06 AM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 09:31 AM)Tsunamy Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 07:44 AM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 11:02 PM)North Prarie Wrote: Then we would have a legislator roster of hundreds of people, 75% of which are inactive. That's a logistical nightmare and makes us look bad.
So I think we should have citizens and their citizenship expires if their nations ceases and legislator status should be a different thing.

They ... are? I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here?
I am saying we need Legislator and Citizen both status to be separated. This may not be the correct place, but just keeping the suggestion on table.

They... already are? Have been for almost five years.

Seriously, have you even read any of our laws?

Till the date I have just seen the word Member or Legislator and no where citizen. Also While I was going through the TSP Law records I found this please read it MR. Farengeto. Assembly Resolution on Citizenship Continuity

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Qaweritoyu · 08-31-2020, 12:21 PM

(08-30-2020, 10:25 AM)Griffindor Wrote: Honestly, I don't think LoA's should be more than a month or two anyway. When you come back from a more than two month LoA, just reapply for legislator status.

I disagree because going on a Leave of Absence doesn't necessarily mean you are going to miss votes, it means you might miss votes and if you do, it doesn't matter because your LoA covers you. Losing the status removes your right to vote that you will still occasionally be available to participate in.

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Qaweritoyu · 08-31-2020, 12:29 PM

(08-30-2020, 07:34 PM)sandaoguo Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 07:29 PM)Penguin Wrote: So what is your suggestion for Henn who asked to be on LoA for a year due to deployment?

Lose status and reapply when he comes back

(08-30-2020, 07:53 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 07:34 PM)sandaoguo Wrote:
(08-30-2020, 07:29 PM)Penguin Wrote: So what is your suggestion for Henn who asked to be on LoA for a year due to deployment?

Lose status and reapply when he comes back

Essentially this. I mean, what's the point of keeping an LoA for a year. If we wanted to be manganous, we could make an exception, but I feel like this is a exception, not the rule.

Overall, applying for Leg status for a former legislator should be relatively quick. We're rarely going to be like "Nah brah."

Going on LoA does not mean they are 100% going to be absent for every single vote for a whole year, now and then they might look in, see what is going on, have a few hours free to catch up and vote. I think you'd agree LoAs would get very painful for all involved if they required you to also state the hour you'll be back. That is ridiculous. If, say, someone gets 3 hours free every Saturday to catch up on Assembly Affairs and vote if there is a vote going on, are you telling me it would be more logical to have applied for a LoA up to 2PM on that Saturday and apply for another one with effect from 5PM that Saturday? I'm telling you now, it'll snow in hell before that happens.

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**Griffindor** · 08-31-2020, 12:29 PM

In a sense, the only rights a legislator has (over an average citizen) is to vote, and run for elections (well, and view the private assembly areas). A normal citizen can still participate in assembly debate (though it is uncommon).

Allowing an indefinite (or lengthy) LoA really just serves to exempt legislators from their voting requirements. If you can't maintain your voting for an extended period of time, then being a legislator is not needed since a citizen can still participate.

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Qaweritoyu · 08-31-2020, 12:41 PM

(08-31-2020, 12:29 PM)Griffindor Wrote: In a sense, the only rights a legislator has (over an average citizen) is to vote, and run for elections (well, and view the private assembly areas). A normal citizen can still participate in assembly debate (though it is uncommon).

Allowing an indefinite (or lengthy) LoA really just serves to exempt legislators from their voting requirements. If you can't maintain your voting for an extended period of time, then being a legislator is not needed since a citizen can still participate.

I repeat, a LoA is not saying 'I won't be available to vote.' It's saying, 'I am not around during these dates, I might be able to vote on occasion.'

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Nakari · 08-31-2020, 03:16 PM

Note that LegComm and Chair can waive the requirement if someone is sufficiently active even if they fall the requirement. Does that help with any of the concerns?

***sandaoguo*** · 08-31-2020, 03:24 PM

(08-31-2020, 12:41 PM)Qaweritoyu Wrote:
(08-31-2020, 12:29 PM)Griffindor Wrote: In a sense, the only rights a legislator has (over an average citizen) is to vote, and run for elections (well, and view the private assembly areas). A normal citizen can still participate in assembly debate (though it is uncommon).

Allowing an indefinite (or lengthy) LoA really just serves to exempt legislators from their voting requirements. If you can't maintain your voting for an extended period of time, then being a legislator is not needed since a citizen can still participate.

I repeat, a LoA is not saying 'I won't be available to vote.' It's saying, 'I am not around during these dates, I might be able to vote on occasion.'

Fairly certain the only real purpose of a leave of absence is to ensure you aren’t booted for missing votes, since that’s what the law says it’s for...

(This post was last modified: 08-31-2020, 03:26 PM by sandaoguo.)

Qaweritoyu · 09-01-2020, 07:28 PM

(08-31-2020, 03:16 PM)Nakari Wrote: Note that LegComm and Chair can waive the requirement if someone is sufficiently active even if they fall the requirement. Does that help with any of the concerns?

Even if they do so, a few hours per week is not 'sufficiently active'.

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